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[–]SeasideLimbs 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Type 3 and 5 overlap quite often in my experience. My theory is that many who start out as type 3 grow bitter once they realize they won't get handed their real-life yaoi fairytale by the gay male community and turn into type 5, though still differing in that they don't want to be included in explicitly female spaces. And Type 1 doesn't really exist anymore. Trans-identified men who are into men are exclusively pseudobisexuals nowadays.

[–]fuck_reddit 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

There are definitely still gay guys who try to escape their sexuality by transitioning. They arent quite as loud or creepy as trans “lesbians,” But they definitely exist.

[–]SeasideLimbs 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The ones who do don't fit Type 1. They are very downlow and not interested in girly things nor sassy.

[–]artetolife 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Isn't that pretty much Blaire White? Sassy gay stereotype turned MtF and pretty much admits that being too femme for gay guys was part of the decision to transition.

[–]SeasideLimbs 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Who knows, likely but hard to tell without actually knowing what's going on inside White's head. I've seen more than enough supposedly gay MtFs who were very adamant about being "truscum" and "HSTs" and then turned out to frequent the same fetish communities as the average AGP and very much being interested in women. Remember, an actual gay man has no reason to be interested in femininity. The only gay men I could see transitioning that way are ones like those in the middle east, where it's either transition or death. A gay man raised in a highly homophobic, religious environment for example, who likely will have an easier time seeing himself as a woman who is with men than as homosexual. Such people are unlikely to find any joy in their femininity though, which rules out the kind obsessed with make-up and dresses.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Plenty of gay men who don't even consider themselves trans love makeup and fashion. There are a lot of people in entertainment like this. Some examples could be Jeffree Star and James Charles. I don't see why a gay man who transitions couldn't like those things.

[–]SeasideLimbs 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

AGP. A good quarter of the gay community is bisexual or heterosexual crossdressing men. It's only recently that they began identifying as trans as well.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm aware they exist. I'm just saying that saying ALL men who like feminine things must just be AGP isn't true

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Depends on which feminine things one talks about. I'd certainly go so far as to say that 99% of men who "like to wear dresses" do so for fetishistic reasons. Mind, I'm talking about people who seek these things out. It's perfectly possible to be a "trans woman" and not be all that girly in presentation. You, on the other hand, described Type 1 as "in love with heels and dresses."

[–]Astrid2448[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, in love with heels and dresses in the same way as a typical insta model or LA party girl.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think Type 1 people are just more often than other types interested in blending in, disconnecting from LGBT, and actually just living their lives. The people who actually just want to pee and can often get away with using female spaces without detection.

An exception is someone like Laverne Cox who enjoys having the social power that comes with being trans. Probably because Cox knows that black women comparatively lack social power and that they would have no career if they were seen as a black woman and not a black trans woman. They would be judged against the harsh standards that black women are faced with and wouldn’t be called stunning or brave.

[–]SeasideLimbs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'd agree with the second paragraph. As for the first, since the amount of homophobia necessary to pressure a man who has no AGP at all into identifying as trans is very high and more often seen in countries where being homosexual is illegal, it's an almost non-existent group here. My comment on their mindset was not going by raw numbers either but by all the people I have personally been in contact with, which was hundreds. Time and time again, people who identified as HSTS turned out to simply be AGPs who hid it better.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I definitely agree that a lot of AGPs try to pretend they're HSTS.

[–]unexpectedly_local 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think type 1's are more common in black and latino spaces, they also go super stealth. There's a wave of them on instagram as influencers/wannabe influencers. They blend in well as many of the hyper-feminine straight women influencers get all this plastic surgery done and facetune and filter the shit out of their pics. Not to mention that the women's makeup trends in these communities are very favorable to trans. When they do talk about being trans, it's usually in a super exclusive groups of other stealth tgirls and their chasers. Think a Nikita Dragun type, except Nikita milks trans identity as a way to get fame and stand out.

I wouldn't rule them out on pseudobisexuality, necessarily. A lot of heterosexual women in similar hyper-sexualized communities have become pseudobisexuals.

[–]SeasideLimbs 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think type 1's are more common in black and latino spaces

That would make a lot of sense! Homophobia tends to unfortunately be more common in those communities.