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[–]fijupanda 32 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

They've all completely lost their schnitzel. They blame black women for black trans deaths, they blame white women for violent vagina gatekeeping, they blame white people for inventing biological sex (how the fuck does one invent sex cells?), they blame actual trans transitioners with actual gender dysphoria for transphobia as well, homosexuals are literally killing people, radical feminists are literally killing people, science is literally killing people, JK Rowling is a genocidal transphobe apparently... wtf?!

The funniest thing is that according to these TRAs...

Lesbians are genital feitishists, transphopes, violent vagina gatekeeprs, TERFs and whatnot. Gay men are genital feitishists, transphobes, violent penis gatekeepers, TERG and whatnot Bisexuals are either limited concept, not woke enough hence pansexuality, omnisexuality, or are fake because bisexuals implies two or are just transphobic bigots upholding the binary Transwomen are women, and transmen are men which means there is no such thing as trans individual and so there are no trans rights, trans medical support, trans laws etc.

Only thing you have left is the Qs then. Lmao.

They're digging a hole under the rest of us, but they'll fall into it themselves eventually when all is said and done. Don't worry.

At least they united so many different sides, people in one swell swoop.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

They blame black women for black trans deaths

Wait, are they actually? I would love to read more about that if you have any links or know of any groups. I keep hearing "black trans women made X for you", and I kind of knew about the Stonewall stuff but I have not heard this part before.

[–]fijupanda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

yeah, saw it the other day on twitter. don't worry, the twitter radfem block was on it. I have to ask around if someone has the shots, seems the tweets and I think there was a video are deleted now. The cowards.

I'll let you know later on. Cheers.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

That's good to hear, thanks! Yeah, it's like-- if they felt that was worth deleting, then maybe they should consider not saying it in the first place..

I started looking a little and found a few similar tweets, but nothing organized. I'll probably keep looking for my own curiosity.

[–]Gearbeta 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lipstick Alley is a forum for black women and their feminism section has a lot of examples of this type of behavior. https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/trans-activist-blames-black-mothers-for-black-mens-misogyny-homophobia-and-transphobia.3763144/#post-60766600

A lot of black women are pointing out that the things we're told by black transwomen, sound remarkably like what misogynist black men tell us.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Thanks for sharing!! Good god. The mental gymnastics required to blame black women for the transphobia they are facing from men is bewildering.

I wonder if there is any way we could try to like, make a broader coalition of "drop the T" type groups.

[–]Gearbeta 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It gets even worse than that. TRAs are saying now that BLACK WOMEN suffer transphobia because of racists saying we "look like men" and thus we should help uplift them basically because we look like dudes anyway.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

WTF!! What the actual fuck! But black women are only perceived as more masculine because of a bunch of sexist stereotypes.. WTF!!! I am so sorry your community is going through that. That's complete bullshit.

Thanks so much for sharing. Do you know of any articles or anything I could read to learn more about this? I am going to look for it anyways though, so no worries if you don't know of anything.

[–]Gearbeta 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, most of this stuff has been happening on social media. This woman is good to follow: https://mobile.twitter.com/RadfemJana

But I'll explain some of what the issue is. So you probably know about how black women are considered to many people and many black men to be unattractive. And you know that's fine! Everyone has different tastes. However, there are many people, some (not all, there are many good black men even ones that aren't attracted to black women out there.) black men in particular who took not being attracted to black women to an entirely new level of disrespect. For years on social media, people were (and still are) making fun of black women relentlessly. Saying how manly and disgusting we are, comparing us to cockroaches saying no one wanted us or that we were all loud and ratchet. This even went so far as for a black man to assault a black woman who rejected him with a longboard. He was dragged on social media for this and his short lived half-assed response was to whine about how he's not attracted to black women and how she deserved to be assaulted because of it. Not to mention there's very real documented social phenomena where black girls are considered "fast" (read slutty) as ages as young as 6, they are thought of as adults at very young ages. There's also expectations for black women to put up with abuse from black men or to not report it because the police might kill him or they'd be putting another black man in jail. So from this came the #divest movement and the most recent incarnation of the black femininity movement. Content creators were calling this behavior out and telling straight black girls to make better choices in dating, to not just go after black men but to go after men who treat them well (no pick me behavior), as well as giving tips on how to be more feminine.

So the problem with transwomen comes here. The divesters and black femininity movements are and were very clear that their movement is not inclusive and it is not for everyone. It is for black women who support their worldview and if you don't, cool, off you go somewhere else. If you aren't a black woman, cool, that's fine, this movement is not for you. And that's where transwomen took offense. The divesters said that they considered transwomen to be transwomen and weren't even that transphobic about it. To this, TRAs decided to come at them with some quite racist statements like, black women will never be considered feminine so stop trying and support your trans sister, being feminine is white supremacy etc etc. And this has greatly angered black women on social media and it is like they are all hitting peak trans at once.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

his short lived half-assed response was to whine about how he's not attracted to black women and how she deserved to be assaulted because of it.

That sounds like textbook narcissism. Jesus.

There's also expectations for black women to put up with abuse from black men or to not report it because the police might kill him or they'd be putting another black man in jail.

That is seriously so scary to think about, let alone go through. I grew up in a highly abusive household and I can't even imagine having that extra level of pressure there on people finding out.

It is for black women who support their worldview and if you don't, cool, off you go somewhere else. If you aren't a black woman, cool, that's fine, this movement is not for you. And that's where transwomen took offense.

It's like, any time there is anything remotely related to "woman", TRAs treat it like a test. Of their womanhood. Similar to how some are so fixated on dating lesbians and gay men when there are many bisexuals who would be happy to date a trans person.

That lashback racism is awful. I was reading some of the tweets posted on the account that you linked. It seems like many of the trans people lashing out are white, though, they're not even black-- not that that would be okay either, I mean, but I wonder how many white trans people get off on the power trip of supposedly being "the most marginalized group". We shouldn't even be comparing how marginalized groups are to each other anyway, like this is some kind of sick competition..

Thanks for the explanation! I appreciate it.

[–]fijupanda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

christ in a pink tutu.

so basically black women should what... just shoulder the entire black community, black trans community and coddle them and everyone else before themselves? fuck that shit. you go your own way, ladies. divest movement. I like the sound of that.

TRAs are so fucking annoying. They keep insulting women for everything from calling a infertile woman a barren cunt to insulting how real vaginas looks like... They're so jealous, and petty. ugh

[–]fijupanda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

what the flying rat's ass...

black women don't look like men. ffs, trans snowflakes need to stop projecting their own insecurities. so ridiculous.

they can uplift themselves if they stopped being such racist, misogynistic nitwits for a day at least.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is why this all feels like an incel-invasion nightmare. They are so clueless they haven't stopped to ask themselves what actually makes a person attractive to other people. Hint: It is never being a jackass. They would have far less to whine and bully about if they actually worked on themselves. It isn't everyone else's fault they don't like what they see when someone holds up a mirror.

[–]fijupanda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I doubt they'll self correct their behavior, or have some sort of common sense moment.

Here's what people have sent me so far, sorry for the late reply:

https://twitter.com/IndyaMoore/status/1288172947740532737

and afromycelium on twitter accused black women of teaching and encouraging violence against black transwomen and teaching gender essentalisam to children. I have the tweet shot now. I can post it on this sub.

this is a thread on twitter with TRAs racism and nonsense aimed at black women

https://twitter.com/Deedee_231/status/1289131584449388544

Then there was some extra misogyny with trans youtuber Kat Blaque. I am not sure what, I haven't watched the videos yet.

Laverne Cox, saying both that women are NOT responsible for what men do, but that somehow if women talk to men about how it's OK for them to be attracted to trans women then they won't be violent to trans women and kill them. There's nothing in the piece at all about how MEN should deal with their own violence: https://madamenoire.com/1080721/laverne-cox-black-cis-men-attracted-to-trans-women/

edit 1: someone already linked the afromycelium nonsense. good.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No worries, thanks so much for responding!! Holy shit. There are so many examples. The third link is just completely full of non sequiturs and illogical reasoning. If I have friends A and B and A hurts me... I don't demand B solve the problem for me and be my intermediary for A.

Also, that first link-- I have seen WAY more mentions in the media recently of the phrase "black trans women" than I EVER have of "black women".