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[–]indeepshadowsBi woman[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Truscum are the group pushing to make rape by deception acceptable.

I've not seen this for myself, but then again, I don't follow trans issues very closely. Deceiving other people into dating them and having sex with them without disclosing they're trans sounds absolutely deplorable, though.

Totally agree with you on tucutes; their brand of homophobia is what brought me to this sub. And yeah, both groups cause issues, but they're different issues.

[–]jiljol 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

While tucutes claim that people are attracted to identities and that "you need to look past genitals", the truscum brand of gay conversion is more subtle. They will often say things like "yes, we understand you are attracted to dick/pussy, but what if the person is fully 'transitioned'?" or "'fully-transitioned' people should only come out if they feel like it". It is true that truscum set the bar higher, so to speak, but their rhetoric is still fucked up when it comes to gay people and consent.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They will often say things like "yes, we understand you are attracted to dick/pussy, but what if the person is fully 'transitioned'?"

I don't think it's just truscum people saying this. I think there's plenty of AGPs and transtrenders who say things like this because they're more interested in looking for gotchas than in building a coherent movement. They want to make anyone who asks any questions or asserts any boundaries look like a bigot. To do so, they're relying on the general public not knowing about the reality of transition particularly with regard to genital surgery, but also cross-sex hormones, puberty blockers, and double mastectomies. If the general public saw what went into surgery resulting in "neovaginas" and "neophalluses" as well as what the results look like, they wouldn't buy the argument that "there's no difference." I think a lot of people who push these narratives are really young and have no sexual history to speak of so it's easy for them to say "there's no difference" or that "people can't tell." In Irreversible Damage, Abigail Shrier covered that the vast majority of teenage girls who transition to trans men have no sexual history and haven't even kissed anyone.

[–]jiljol 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From personal experience, transtrenders don't even believe that you can ever "fully" transition. They are what they say they are, period. Truscum on the other hand usually think that a certain (unspecified) number of surgeries and a certain (unspecified) amount of synthetic hormones are all it takes to become the other sex. Both are equally silly, it's just that the latter group tends to garner more sympathy because it requires more effort I suppose.