Colonization“But you have to accept us!”

submitted by julesburm1891 from (self.LGBDropTheT)

When TRAs are backed into a corner by people calling out the inherent homophobia of their demands they often say one thing. “You don’t have to sleep with us, but you have to accept as gay men/lesbians.” Given the current state of affairs, I do not believe this is an issue on which we should compromise.

LGB men and women did humor the trans community and let them call themselves gay/lesbian unquestioned for years. The trans community didn’t take this as a convenient way to say to which sex they’re attracted and let it alone. Instead, they redefine terms, demand all LGB spaces be changed to accommodate them, spew the cotton/boxer ceiling rhetoric, harass LGB people, and work very hard to cancel and deplatform any LGB person who questions any facet of this madness. The trans community as a whole has shown that they are not willing to respect boundaries and that they will take a mile if given an inch.

Furthermore, I argue that words are not a clubhouse to join. Words are merely something we use to describe specific things. A native Czech speaker is someone whose first language is Czech. If someone learned to speak Czech fluently as a second language, no one would say they’re a native speaker because their language skills are not native. Likewise, a Muslim is a person who believes there is one god, Muhammad was his last prophet, and that Qu’ran is the word of god. Any person that disbelieves any of these things is not a Muslim because they do not meet all the requirements of the definition. The same holds true for the terms lesbian, gay man, and bisexual. Lesbians are female homosexuals. Gay men are male homosexuals. Bisexuals are people of either sex who experience attraction to both sexes. Males cannot be lesbians, females cannot be gay men, and bisexuals are, in fact, attracted to the two sexes.

This shouldn’t be a controversial issue. Not everyone will be able to fill the requirements to be described by every term. Instead, our right to refuse to redefine ourselves has been posited as bigotry. Those who make this claim seem to be blind to the fact that it robs us of a way to define ourselves, damages our ability to organize, and hurts our community.

So, no, we do not have to see heterosexual trans people as gay or lesbian. To do so would be folly.

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[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Everytime I talk about language the say language changes over time and so the new definitions are the ones that matter. They never think of where the definitions come from, and how they are forced upon os quickly through media, instead of being picked up organically through time and usage. They just say can we normalize x or just put out of list of things that are no longer valid/invalid.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is one of the reasons why I drone on about homosexuality being a phenomenon and transgenderism being a concept. Indeed definitions can change over time due to the discovery of new facts or the creation of new concepts. There have been no new facts discovered about what homosexuality is. They're trying to use the invention of a new concept to claim an objective fact change. It's absurd.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They will tell you that their are new factS, new concepts, and then refer you to the textbooks form their queer/gender studies class.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they took gender and forced it into the language of sexuality. So they have nonsense definitions like bisexual being two or more genders because they are stuck with a word that is tied to a binary and have to work around it.

[–]CleverNickName 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As a former linguistic student, they also have no goddamn clue what language change actually is. What they mean is "I want this language to change now shut the fuck up".

Linguistics - just one more science that definitely works a certain way no matter how you feel about, that they deliberately refuse to understand.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah its all this is how it's gonna be from now on. Get with it or get fired.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LGB men and women did humor the trans community and let them call themselves gay/lesbian unquestioned for years. The trans community didn’t take this as a convenient way to say to which sex they’re attracted and let it alone. Instead, they redefine terms, demand all LGB spaces be changed to accommodate them, spew the cotton/boxer ceiling rhetoric, harass LGB people, and work very hard to cancel and deplatform any LGB person who questions any facet of this madness. The trans community as a whole has shown that they are not willing to respect boundaries and that they will take a mile if given an inch.

It is the same with the pronoun game. To accomodate a nonsense is to promote it. People say they do it to be "nice" and "respectful", but it's not nice to participate in a lie. In reality it's a way for people to take the easy way out and not do the hard work of insisting on truth.

Once people started to play along with the pronoun game, it set the stage for further and more extreme demands. The LGB sphere is where it first gained traction, so of course we're now dealing with an insistence that we also have to redefine ourselves.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% agree. Both behaviors have allowed for ever-changing goal posts.

Allowing trans people to call themselves lesbian or gay quickly became “I belong in gay/lesbian spaces.” That became, “you have to consider the possibility of being attracted to me.” And that because (nauseatingly fast), “if you don’t fuck me, you’re a bigot. Let me redefine all the rules while I’m at it.”

The same thing has happened with pronouns.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You give them an inch, and they will take a mile by force. This pronoun game became mainstream around 2016 or 2017 and we were stupid enough to promote it, let alone participate in it. The solution was there the whole time: if you want to know a person's pronouns, look at this person or listen to this person's voice.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely this. I am in the just say no phase of my trans acceptance reality.

There is no end to their neediness. They are crying out for some boundaries. It’s way past time to set them.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why should we accept them when they refuse to accept us? They want us to accept them as the sex they want to be, but they demand that we adjust our orientations to validation them. Isn't acceptance supposed to be a two-way street?

[–]hellonumpty 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LGB men and women did humor the trans community and let them call themselves gay/lesbian unquestioned for years. The trans community didn’t take this as a convenient way to say to which sex they’re attracted and let it alone. Instead, they redefine terms, demand all LGB spaces be changed to accommodate them, spew the cotton/boxer ceiling rhetoric, harass LGB people, and work very hard to cancel and deplatform any LGB person who questions any facet of this madness. The trans community as a whole has shown that they are not willing to respect boundaries and that they will take a mile if given an inch.

So true. The whole 'you dont need to sleep with up but you need to accept us as gay men/lesbians" is the same thing. If we see them as gay men and lesbians, then they say gay men and lesbians have no reason not to sleep with them. People who like to erode boundaries (usually narcs) do this all the time. They present what they think would look like a nice compromise to others to get them on board (usually after exhausting them by bombarding them with word salad and the like, so that they are complacent and will agree to anything to get them to stop) then they move the goal posts. It's a manipulative trap.

[–]PassionateIntensity 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is the conclusion I've arrived at too. I don't accept them as gay. I actually think it's unethical for them to try to pass as gay in the same way white people passing as racial minorities is unethical. This position would definitely get me tossed out of most LGBT spaces these days, but that's what I honestly believe. 🤷

[–]hufflepuff-poet 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are my exact feelings on the matter too and I hate that I have to bite my tongue about this or risk losing my job. This is the worst timeline :(((

[–]SedateApe 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We became complacent. Things were finally going our way and the LGB community became complacent. We should have been watching the five year with the box of matches. But we were too busy with how we LGB people were finally being accepted. Gay marriage was beginning to get the final push. And there was the child...throwing lit matches at the curtains.

Drag shows became trans rallies. Our Pride Parades became Fetish Marches. We face being erased just for being who we have always been. Bathrooms defines you sexuality. Who's showering with our sisters, daughter, and nieces now? Trans "women" are destroying women's sports.

And all through this...is a five year old with matches burning down our history. Taking charge of our political stage and pushing us out of the public eye...this is the goal.

Because we became complacent.

[–]Uranian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As anyone who's long in the tooth knows, this is inevitable when you let straight people into gay spaces: they take over the joint and before you know it, it's become THEIR space and you're not welcome any more.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Preach

[–]AnokiFrench 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They should accept others , before yelling for acceptance simple

[–]ekitten 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

r/LabourUK recently had a post about making LGBT conversion therapy illegal in the UK. I asked if that meant it would be illegal for transwomen to pressure lesbians into dating males, and got banned for discrimination/bigotry. I messaged the mods to point out that their own sub was bigoted for supporting homophobia, and got a very aggressive response calling me a "hateful fuck". I responded saying that pressuring gay people into dating people of the opposite sex is homophobia and conversion therapy, and they muted me.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People just want to act virtuous by being inclusive. They don’t actually want to put in the work to realize that you can’t wholeheartedly accept gay people and the trans agenda. And they certainly don’t want to grow a pair and choose a side.