LGB ErasureJust Say No to Umbrella-Terming ("LGBTQ+" and "Queer")

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[–]fuck_reddit 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I think it's sadly only being noticed now that they're trying to do the same thing to gay men. Stonewall UK referred to three gay men killed in Reading, UK as "LGBT" and people flipped out... It's sad that a lot of people are only just coming to realize what's been happening to lesbians for years...

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, but people ARE waking up. We are looking at something historic: What used to be the Gay Rights movement is splintering. Where will the dissidents end up? Will we have an American branch of LGB Alliance? Or will Lesbians, Gay men and Bisexual folk form separate but allied advocacy groups?

I'm not one of these people who automatically despairs at division. Ask any radical Lesbian: It is sometimes necessary to separate from those who don't have your best interests at heart. There's nothing wrong with like-minded people consolidating around issues that really matter to them. Compromise and agreeing to disagree is also necessary at times, but there's no percentage in compromising with historical revisionists, stealth misogynists and wannabe fascists! Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand said it best back in the day: If you've had enough, don't put up with this stuff, don't you do it/If you've had your fill, get the check, pay the bill, you can do it. (Lyrics by Paul Jabara and Bruce Roberts, "Enough Is Enough")

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I agree. I think my ideal would be an LGB group where ~75% of meetings are break-off meetings of L, G, or B men and women to discuss their own things/problems/experiences/advice, and then ~25% of the time have meetings/events all together to socialize/discuss problems. Basically, maintain a group cohesion, but don't spend so much time around each other we piss each other off lol

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm for it!

[–]fuck_reddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We could call it the "Confederation of Independent Sexualities" or CIS for short lol.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OMG! As far as "reclaimed" slurs go, that would take the cake. Not everybody agrees that "cis" is a slur, but do you agree that its use on Gay people is especially inappropriate?

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it serves a linguistic purpose (in theory), but in practice its used to push gay guys out of the “””LGBT community””” (especially when “white” is also added). Its basically just a way of silencing the group whose most likely to call out trans BS.

[–]KCStuffedAnimal[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I see TRAs refer to a Gay man or Lesbian as "cis", especially the kind of TRAs who want to shove the term right down your throat, I see ignorant fools. What makes them fools is assuming that the way they experience gender is the same way everybody else does or should. What makes them ignorant is their lack of knowledge about how Gay people relate to gender; many of us have our own difficulties. Just because you aren't trans, that doesn't mean you are or have always been comfortable with your sex! It's another example of why one group should never dare presume to define another group.