LifestyleHad a phone date with a new guy ruined over trans rights when neither of us are even trans

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I started talking to a guy who was coming into my school this fall on the phone the past few days. He is a TRA gay male and felt very strongly towards trans rights. We were talking about our political views (I am very liberal btw), and I told him the only view I was more conservative on was trans rights. He ended up getting extremely mad, calling me a TERF, and would not stop arguing with me about sexuality and the word homosexual being demeaning to him. I don’t know what the fuck is happening to the gay community, but we need to come together as a whole and stop this shit before it gets out of hand.

I told him I’m not interested in him anymore. I don’t want someone who this will be an issue with.

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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 98 insightful - 3 fun98 insightful - 2 fun99 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think you dodged a bullet. These kinds of ideologies tend to attract people who are otherwise toxic. I would not date a TRA not only because I disagree on a very personal and moral level, but because almost all of the TRAs I've known have been emotionally abusive to some degree.

[–]Tikiri 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

THIS! I mean, it may sting at first, but a sting is nothing compared to the emotional abuse and gaslighting you’d probably experience if you dated someone like that.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 47 insightful - 2 fun47 insightful - 1 fun48 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

if he's gonna flip out on the one issue, well you can imagine what else is gonna be an issue. He's an sjw and if you aren't that would have been a problem for you. And why exactly is homosexual demeaning?

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 44 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 0 fun45 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It makes it much harder for them to gaslight us into self-hatred when our sexuality is still clearly defined.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I understand that, but why did the guy find it demeaning?

[–]nbailey73[S] 30 insightful - 5 fun30 insightful - 4 fun31 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

He told me he found it demeaning because it was “what was used to describe us a mental illness” at one point.

[–]JulienMayfair 46 insightful - 8 fun46 insightful - 7 fun47 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

He told me he found it demeaning because it was “what was used to describe us a mental illness” at one point.

Yet he probably embraces 'queer.'

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'Homosexual' is the official English term, though. Ironically, people like him would use the word 'queer' to describe himself and other gay men without any hint of irony. Even though 'queer' originally meant weird and has been use as a slur against us. It still is.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

He would rather be a manservant than a homosexual. Lol

[–]nbailey73[S] 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I’d much rather be a homosexual man than a “queer man”.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I remember the gays boys being called “fucking queers” in my hometown in the 90s. All of this shit that is happening to us again is actually triggering some heavy grief from the times when I defended my gay male buddies from homophobes, even from police homophobes. I was a lesbian but dudes were just gross with lesbians, they were violent with gay men, it was horrible.

This homo defending ppl who are attacking homos is really fucking my head up. All of the homophobic LGBT people are really hurting us that survived literal violence to be free. It’s upsetting

[–]jiljol 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fun fact: the word "Homosexual" (also "Heterosexual") was coined by a homosexual man and homosexual rights activist by the name of Karl-Maria Kertbeny. That the medical community tried to steal it and pathologize it does not change the fact that it was a word created by and for us.

[–]CrashCourse 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As opposed to 'queer' which has never been used in anything but a derogatory sense towards us before it was 'reclaimed'.

But no, we should be using queer. Homosexual is wayyyy too descriptive medical.

[–]AddledCorpse 39 insightful - 2 fun39 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

Lol. It's the slippery slope conservatives were talking about - 15 years ago. Happening right before our eyes.

Time for the gay community to stop defaulting to progressivism, just cuz they think they ought to. Like black people defaulting to the Democrats.

Modern leftism is a totalitarian/authoritarian plague.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 25 insightful - 10 fun25 insightful - 9 fun26 insightful - 10 fun -  (12 children)

Oh, and the Right never suffers from totalitarian/authoritarian impulses. Just freedom and democracy - a clean record.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Lol. The left is basically using the right playbook right now, don’t feel good, does it righties? Extremists are extreme, water is wet. I don’t think these people remember how much “god hates fags.” Where do they think extreme activism comes from? I laugh when I see blame being placed in false dichotomy haha

Right wingers said gay men deserved to die from damn aids and did fuck all to stop it. How can you blame gays for liberal views after all that? It was a very logical outcome.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Here here. For what it's worth, despite how they self identify, I don't see trans as part of the Left. I see them as a Trojan horse of gender stereotypes from yesteryear, and a reaction against women's and gay liberation. (Actually, many of them openly identify as conservative).

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trans people are by and large quite regressive. And a lot come from very religious or homophobic families. Many served in the military. So blaming progressives is not really useful if we want to figure out how to live in this world. Transgender is actually the opposite result lesbians and gays wanted. We wanted to be okay not fitting gender roles that go with our sex, not to BECOME gender roles. Lol.

I think lots of trans people are straight people who don’t fit in trying to find somewhere to go, which is sad

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Remember "The Gendercator"?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Lol, no, what’s that?

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

"Synopsis: The Gendercator is a satirical take on surgical body modification and gender. The story uses the “Rip Van Winkle” mode l to extrapolate from the feminist 70s to a frightening 2048 where politics and technology have conspired to mandate two gender “choices”: Macho male or Barbie babe. In this dystopian future, those whose gender presentation does not comply will be GENDERCATED.

Distinctions: The Gendercator is the only film ever accepted, programmed and then cancelled from San Francisco’s Frameline Film Festival in 31 yearsdue to an email campaign consisting of 130 identical emails."

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, wow. Gender identity lovers sure don’t know how to take a joke. Lololol Imagine if our gay asses couldn’t handle some shitty jokes? These people need to buck up because they are not going to survive this world if they are that easy to trigger.

They also hate drag because they don’t get that either. I’m not a huge fan of drag, myself, but I get that it’s supposed to be funny and entertaining and if we can’t laugh at stereotypes we are screwed

[–]FrenchiePup 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No, the left goes a lot farther than using the right's playbook.

Refusing to engage in a debate and preventing the other side from expressing their opinion is far beyond what this society ever experienced in term of assault on free speech.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have some thoughts that are just my thoughts on shutting down debate, I’m not a trained person.

The reason there is no debate is because what they want is so completely illogical that they can’t actually debate it in any real way, in terms of gender identity anyway. I think a lot of the prevention of speech is due to social media, which ironically allows each person a voice that they use for groupthink. Also I think a lot of the gender identity people quite literally have nervous systems that are in fight or flight a lot, and it’s hard to think and speak from that emotional space. I wouldn’t be able to debate if I always felt personally attacked either. “Triggered.” We laugh about being “triggered” but it’s a really miserable thing to go through and these people should have been helped with calming that nervous system response before they were given the okay to trans anything. Also, many people yelling at other people in these arguments are quite young and inexperienced in living in the world.

In the last 20-30 years the way we communicate has radically changed. With social media platforms like twitter and Facebook, but especially twitter, people are engaging in instant and ceaseless attacks on individuals or their workplaces, organizations etc. We are not used to handling personal disruption at that level. In our entire history as a species we have never had the power to connect this many individuals into the same network at once, with pictures, videos, words, but we have also never been so alone and touch-starved.

People are grouping together to feel a part of something, especially people who have lacked a voice in the mainstream for the last century. It’s like separate ideological groups have literally become Borg cubes. Lol. It’s actually really interesting despite it being so horrible. I don’t remember right wingers being particularly openly to free speech that was not their own typical opinions, and if the major media companies were owned by right wingers we would be seeing the same shutdown of debate from them.

[–]FrenchiePup 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which is why I am not on Twitter, besides an inactive account so I can read posts without being bothered to create an account after a few clicks.

My Facebook is dead as well, just as Facebook.

Reddit was fun until the screeching minority decided to trash it.

But I think a large portion of the left has gone totally bonkers with their obsession to counter Trumps whatever he does, good or bad, and same with his supporters. I'm at the point where I had to completely sealed myself off of their insanity. To the point that right wingers look like sane and balanced people to me, now.

[–]fuck_reddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think what we should learn from the tendencies of the right and left in power over the past two decades is that power corrupts anyone, and we should instead hesitate to give anyone more power. Both sides have exhibited the same characteristics when they come into cultural/political power.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP is clearly not suggesting the adoption of extreme exceptions.

[–]quickbeam 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hate that this shit gets conflated with the left. I would say if someone voted for Elizabeth Warren there's a decent chance they are a "woke" leftist (despite the whole native appropriation thing which was somehow okay). If a left wing person voted for Bernie Sanders, however, there's probably a 75% chance or higher that the woke thing is an afterthought and they mainly care about things like universal healthcare, climate change and raising the minimum wage. I can understand how people get this woke. A lot of them are only half paying attention or TRA stuff doesn't affect them and they just want to do the right thing. And some of them are the same types who used to show up at a protest with a totally irrelevant sign for a fringe cause. So it's not the whole left, by a long shot.

[–]metta78 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually, yeah, I never thought about it, but I'd say most of the Warren people I knew were totally cultural leftists, and I think that's why they hated a lot of the Bernie supporters because their progressivism was situated in shifting the economic system to work for more people. I think the latter would support equality for all people (which is why you'd might see them on the same political team) but the cultural leftists wanted to get in the weeds of the intersectionalities of the most marginalized, and really, to be frank, use identity politics to leverage power - which, as we've seen, is something radical, nationalist politics use as well - vs hey let's do something to lift up everyone. It's no wonder these cultural leftists have the same stink of authoritarian tactics and regressive ideas on them.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Honestly, what happened to just wanting gay marriage? Which I suppprt, but it should have ended there.

[–]SailorMoon2020 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You know, this is something I'm curious about. What rights do trans people not have exactly? We as gay peeps can get married and now we're not able to be discriminated against at public employment positions due to the recent ruling. Good. That ruling also includes trans people. So what rights do they not have? The bathroom bullshit? (Which isn't a problem for passing trans.)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In Ireland, LGB people have the exact same rights as straight people. The right to adopt a child as a single person (~1950’s), right to jointly foster children (1991), the right to privacy (1993, with an equal age of consent), the right to serve in the military without restrictions (1993 or earlier), IVF (2000), most of the rights of marriage (2011 via civil partnerships), the right to marry (2015 after a constitutional referendum), the right to guardianship over a partner’s/spouse’s child (2016), the right to donate blood (2017 after 12 months of abstinence for men), the right to jointly adopt children (2017), and automatic coparenthood recognition when a child is born into a same sex relationship (2019). We’ve also been protected from discrimination in employment (1998 - 2015 in religious schools and hospitals) and all other areas (2000). The only three things that are missing are:

  • a conversion therapy ban, though we do have existing laws against torturing children.
  • the right to donate blood without abstinence - could be reduced to 3 months in the future though.
  • surrogacy, which is illegal for everyone, including for straight couples. Surrogacy is a contentious issue in this country, so it’s unclear what the laws will be like in 5 years, but that’s another topic entirely.

But right now, we have TRAs demanding more ‘rights’. Privileges, more like. They want to abolish the age requirement to transition, which is 16, and that is already too low. They also want trans surgeries and hormones to be covered by the HSE, but our public healthcare system is already strained because of bureaucracy and nepotism within the office and admin staff of our healthcare system. SJWs also want sex education in primary schools. It’s madness. Hopefully people will say no to this.

[–]SailorMoon2020 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks a lot for taking the time to inform me on the matter!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome. I'm just proud of the progress my country has made on gay rights over the last 30 years. Hopefully the TRAs don't set progress back 30 years.

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is what I try to point out but get demeaned for. What we should really do (and imo what would further increase acceptance domestically) would be to pivot to focusing on LGB issues abroad, working to support movements in countries to legalize homosexuality, pass gay marriage, allow gay adoption, etc. Show that we are able to enjoy the fruits of our labors at home in peace and help other people achieve greater freedoms. Instead, we've got this mess...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What you can do at home, assuming you live in a country with gay marriage, is emphasise the responsibilities that come with our rights. LGB organisations should focus on promoting healthy marriages and cohabitations to gay couples, promoting gay people who live successful lives, and pushing gay people to be better role models, not just to gay youths but youths in general. LGB organisations should also continue to offer support to gay people who have suffered from homophobia, such as victims of assault motivated by homophobia or teenagers who were expelled from their parents' homes for being gay or bisexual. Network with homeless shelters, self-defence training courses, hospitals (sexual health is still a problem), women's organisations on behalf of lesbians and bisexual women, and men's organisations on behalf of gay and bisexual men. The last one is crucial, because a lot of gay men have negative views of straight men, and likewise, a lot of straight men have homophobic views. It's important that gay men, straight men and bisexual men work together on issues that affect men, such as suicide, health, joblessness, homelessness, class issues, drug use, crime, sexual dysfunction, family, community, military obligations in countries that have conscription, and the roles that men play in society at large. I look at the way lesbians, bi women and straight women come together on women's issues, and I think gay and bi men should work with straight men on men's issues too.

[–]fuck_reddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is a really good summary of things we still have to work on! I think one of the reasons it isnt as popular is its things we have to take responsibility for. Its less flashy but (imo) probably more important.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of people these days hate responsibility because they are used to having someone else, usually their parents, sort things out for them. A lot of people are spoilt brats nowadays.

[–]womananadultfemale 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So right. I'm a Black woman maligned in my community when I say screw the Dem and Rethugs and let's back a real candidate of the people by going third party. People are so used to accepting crumbs for a bit more of comfort than the previous generation instead of going for real change. It may be uncomfortable at first but living in discomfort ain't nothing new so we need to suck it up and stop this madness. The Dems are all about protecting TRA over everyone else.

[–]Movellon 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lucky escape.

If he’s offended by the idea that being homosexual is being same sex attracted he probably need to spend a bit of time growing up and accepting himself.

[–]Poofter 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How is the word homosexual demeaning? We should take PRIDE in being gay. We are gay, we are homosexual. The only demeaning term is queer.

Maybe he was actually trans and that’s why he was so upset?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you didn't tell him your address or where you work, because people like him would go out of their way to destroy the lives of people who disagree with them.

[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

He sounds like he is equating gender identity issues with the struggle for gay rights. He doesn’t want to deny anyone anything like he was denied, or to treat anyone like horrible people because of something they can’t help.

TRAs often compare the current gender debacle to the gay liberation movement when the two things are completely different battles. I was also sucked in by this comparison, because I was treated poorly for being a lesbian and didn’t want to do that to anyone else. But the trans fight is not the same as recognizing sexual orientation.

They want legal definitions overhauled, all doors and bodies open to them, and if you refuse you are attacked.

We did not ask for that. We asked to not be harassed and jailed and excluded for loving EACH OTHER. It’s not illegal for trans people to date and have sex and get married etc.

Lots of gays don’t seem to be aware of what trans rights activists want and what they are doing to the community. Does this man know any trans people? Usually the people who don’t know many are the ones ready to condemn any wrongthink.

I know lots of trans people. Many are great. Just not the ones who are pushing for extreme changes, and the regular trans people are afraid to speak against them, like so many gays and lesbians are. It’s sucks. We are all getting fucked by this.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Unfortunately a fair amount of homosexuals get stuck in a mode of self defeat. Probably has something to do with actual oppression and this can trap some people into not believing in their potential as an individual, which in turn makes them susceptible to taking on the problems of others.

I don't agree that the problem is only "the ones who are pushing for extreme changes" because that makes it seem like people are the danger, as opposed to the ideas they hold. The transgender concept is extreme. It is an implicit denial of objective observation--the fundamental method that we humans have to rely on for navigating our existence.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Also: I love that you have “fggot” in your tag. Lol. A gay male friend and I called eachother dyk and fggot (I don’t know if this word will get censored here, so I spell it like that) and horrified the straight ppl. It was even funnier when it was lesbian, gay man, trans woman calling eachother “trnny,” “dyk,” and “fggot” back and forth. I remember when this was not a huge problem. There was a time before it all went nuts

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I re-approved your comment, since you're discussing usage of the terms - not using them as slurs towards others :)

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hey I remember that time, too! I was part of various LGB circles in multiple U.S. cities over the years, and it was a "tight" culture with a lot of consistency between locales. In every group we always used those terms in an endearing way. These days it's no longer fun.

About the f word thing. I actually take it very seriously and appreciate your response. I use and say it mostly as a hard edge with a purpose. The purpose is to signal to straights (and other homos) that I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality. It took me many years and some scars to realize that I don't have to be a victim and I want others to know they also have that choice.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It is like a term of endearment to me now, within the community, all of those terms. Queer was for a bit too until non-gays started using it then it wasn’t ours anymore

When I watch something like “how to survive a plague” and see how strong all of the lesbians and gays were in act up, I remember we didn’t get our rights by being anyone’s dvkes and fxggots but our own, and if we didn’t let aids crush us, then this current bs is manageable

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree, I just don’t think transgenderism is going to stop because we think it’s harmful. It’s already been made to a diagnosis with a treatment, so the best we can do is find better treatments and try to find ways to really narrow down who is most likely to be okay as trans and who is going to be worse off after doing it.

Unfortunately we live in a society where it is acceptable, even encouraged, for people to cosmetically modify themselves in many ways, especially women. Fake breasts, fake asses, fake abs, fake lips, sex dolls, pantomimed pleasure for public enjoyment, buying bodies for sex, porn. Not living in a real body, with real feelings, in a real world, has been happening for a long time. All of this shit overlaps. Social media has made it much worse because lives are flattened and curated and ppl are living in their heads. That is extreme dissociation with reality. All of it.

All of this stuff is a natural extension of living increasingly unnatural lives. Harmful ideas are all around us. If we want to stop this we have to stop coveting fake bodies and fake roles and get out and take a walk outside.

[–]SanityIsGC 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your comment is bang on. Absolutely knocks it out of the park. I would add no real thinking and no real dialogue to "not living in a real body with real feelings". What you write stands on its own but I do think the ability to think critically without ideological supports has gone by the wayside. Anyway I'm a straight lurker and am hoping you might make this an OP in Gender Critical as it introduces the idea that the trans phenom is a consequence of a widespread societal mindset that has embraced fakeness

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. We are all so removed from nature. Our feet don’t even touch the earth. What kind of animal is so removed from nature? Kids are growing up behind screens, floors and floors above the earth, in many cases. That’s captivity. It makes animals sick. We are the “sick animal.” Some philosopher said that and it’s been in my head for years. I think people are trying so hard to connect, trans people just happen to be using some of the most harmful methods. The further we get from our bodies the sicker we are going to become. a beautiful facade is still a facade.

[–]beereadit 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You dodged a bullet there, ou t your blessings.

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I'm curious why so many people have a reaction that's clearly cognitive dissonance on this topic, and yet they are so far from aware that they are having that type of reaction.

[–]PassionateIntensity 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hope he's very happy eating the pussy of his new boyfriend.

So now "homosexual" is deeming and we must stop using it, but they still won't stop calling us "queer"?

[–]quickbeam 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I run into people like this, sometimes I like to ask them "why is this issue personally important to you" or "how did you get interested in this issue" - because that gives them space to talk about it and you get a sense of what their emotional connection to the issue is. Then depending on how strong that connection to the issue is you might be able to sway them with some facts or your personal reasons for why you feel differently. Maybe you did that, I don't know. But in general a lot of people keep things at the intellectual argument level and at that level people almost never change their minds and just get angry at each other. Sometimes if you find out someone's emotional connection to an issue you can even be around people whom you really disagree with because both people have understood the other's motivation.

[–]Seahorse 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really feel for those dating cause running into these types would suck.

I met my girlfriend from true lesbians, it blows our minds if we'd both gone online just that little bit later we'd have not got the chance.

Good on you for dumping him, you will find someone that isn't guzzling the kool-aid.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This indicates he suffers from low self esteem. Good dodge.

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I could write an essay on this but I think it's simpler to just say that that guy has a lot of growing up to do.

[–]shveya 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He sounds very young and naive. After he gets told he's a bigot for not wanting "man pussy" he may sing a new tune.

[–]womananadultfemale 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately, if we don't continue to fight this madness, the Handmaiden's Tale is gonna be a real thing. My biggest fear is one extreme is gonna be fed up with the other extreme until some Gilead like world becomes real and us sensible people are slaughtered.

These TRAs need to understand what they are doing is a travesty to gay rights and it is gonna take us ALL down a road no one should want to go down.

I hope every straight ally gets it together and sees that we MUST fight with and for you because it affects US too!

We cannot allow science and biology to be ignored.

[–]yishengqingwa666Adult Human Female 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good on you. Don't date trans cultists.