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[–]indeepshadowsBi woman[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Arty Morty argues that gay rights and trans rights are two fundamentally different issues, and sometimes there's a conflict of interests.

I'd recommend giving this guy a follow on YouTube. He makes great arguments in his videos and, as a gay man, is a rare sight in the gender critical scene.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Arty is so great .. I know he was in our old sub, and I'm pretty sure I saw his name here too. <3 man, thank you for your efforts and support!

[–]indeepshadowsBi woman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? That's so cool! I only recently discovered his videos and have really enjoyed them.

[–]zerosis 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so incredibly refreshing and comforting to see another gay man speaking out on this issue. I know there will be more of us soon, as the damage from TRA extremists burns through our community.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"There's a limit to the amount of masculinity that can come out of a woman's womb"? Why is there an implicit suggestion that homosexuality = effeminacy? And also, why does not having chosen to be homosexual automatically mean that it is genetic? I didn't choose to speak English either. But it is certainly not genetic, even if it does run in families. Personally, I think same sex desire is universal and only sublimated in heterosexuals. Otherwise there couldn't be cultures where it is practiced universally (Sambia, Ancient Greece). I read that in ancient Sparta, where it was ubiquitous, attraction to masculine warrior males was so intense than in order to copulate with their wives, females had to wear male clothing and shave their heads.

Why is it considered a weakness in the argument for gay acceptance that it might be learned? I honestly don't like the oft-repeated claim "why would I choose this?", as if one would prefer not to be.

I think a more interesting question is "why is it that some people aren't attracted to the opposite sex?". Same sex attraction appears primary and fundamental to me and the reason society is so overwhelmingly homosocial. Denial is not credible in the context of ostracism and violence. The elephant in the room: Why would society have to police something that only manifests in a small percentage? It makes more sense if it is a widespread temptation that has to be pushed back.

[–]ghostraider 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In ancient greece homosexuality wasn't practiced universally, since it was frowned upon half of the population (women): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lesbianism

And from then on, the rest of your arguments go down the drain.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would appreciate a more precise criticism than my arguments going down the drain. I just hear that as "I don't like them". Homosexuality was glorified as the highest form of love in Ancient Greece. I don't think that is controversial.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ancient Greece were a bunch of misogynistic tards who liked to sodomize teens. That's has nothing to do with real homosexuality. They glorified males because they were misogynistic tards, not because they were homosexuals.It isn't genetic, but it's biological, linked to exposure of hormones in the brain. No, same sex attraction isn't universale. No, we aren't all bisexuals. No you cannot learn to have a physiological attraction to one sex. This is literally conversion therapy delusion. Homosexuality was policed because of fear on the different and of this nonsense idea that it can be learned behaviour and society could all become gay, and religion too.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, anal sex was referred to as "hubris" among the ancient Greeks and considered criminal. They practiced intercrural sex. https://www.academia.edu/4905297/Pinning_Anal_Sex_on_the_Greeks_A_Millennial_Slur?auto=download

It is a bald assertion that it is biological. Explain Sambia.

It's like you've never heard of sublimation. Homosexuality is policed because that is how heterosexuality is created.