A Chinese user who escaped from Reddit, where the censorship is stricter than the strictest website in China, can't believe it

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[–]ChinaDefender[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

North Korea is terrible. degree of oppression. If Hitler was 100. North Korea maybe 200. In China in the 1960s and 1970s, it might have been 250, 1980s: 80 1990s: 50 2000s: 10 Now: <20

Freedom of movement: It is free to leave China, as long as you can pay for the air ticket, there is a country willing to issue a visa to you.

Internet: You need a VPN to access the Outside Web. about 20 million people use it. If you are caught posting anti-China information on the extranet, you may be warned, detained or even sentenced. But there are only a single digits sentences in a year. die? impossible.

Religion: You can practice religion, but you are not allowed to preach. The government wants to limit the development and spread of religion. People under the age of 18 are not allowed to believe in religion. If Islamic parents are caught praying with their children, their children will be taken away, Until they promise not to preach to their children. The school is not allowed to conduct any religious activities and discuss any religious matters. The cult "Falungong" is strictly prohibited.

"Falungong" is the largest anti-China group. Good at creating fake news, all over the western media, even in this forum.I suggest you not to believe any news from Falun Gong, especially those sensational ones. Their channels are: china uncensored. Their news is not all fake, but fake news mixed with real events. Create a very scary and terrible image. If you want to know the real situation, you can watch Taiwan's anti-China videos, at least they don't make up false facts too much. You can never see the real facts in the pro-China media. Neutral media, I have not found any neutral media to China.Many media positions are neutral, but there are no sources of information, so there is still no truth.

Many independent individuals have posted messages that are closer to the truth, but are hard to find. If a person talks about politics every day, he is not an independent. If a person posts a video of his life every day and occasionally a political news or two, his news is likely to be true.

concentration camps are all closed. now there are only prisons, and the number of detainees is about 10,000 ~ 20,000. I can't get real data.

About the concentration camp: All claims of being raped woman are fake. Communist troops may kill, but no sex is allowed. If you kill 10 people, CCP maybe cover it up for you. if you have sex with any Uighur woman, the only thing happened to you is to be secretly executed. Chinese culture looks down on rapists. There are many high-level officials executed by the CCP for rape in history. There are cameras everywhere in the concentration camp, and these cameras are connected to the nearby combat command center through the 5G network. I don't think anyone would want to have sex in this situation.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Thanks for the information. I will look into Taiwan.

Religious persecution is always a feature of communism. Even in the west, the leftists absolutely loathe religion, Christianity especially. And they are already trying to limit religious freedom in the name of "progress". They say they're "moderate" but it's the same BS every time, it's exactly what socialists always do. They think they're better than everyone else and think they should have the right to make "more educated" decisions for everyone.

The right is not faring much better these days. They used to defend the west, but as the left drives them further and further to insanity fascism is beginning to look more and more attractive to them. The love of freedom we once had among the masses is now gone. Even before, in practice it often didn't really exist, even though people claimed to value it. The problem is, it's completely antithetical to human nature. Humans are a herd species, they require absolute conformity, blindly follow leaders, and are willing to brutally treat outsiders and dissenters within their tribe. Nature is truly sick.

[–]ChinaDefender[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As an atheist, I personally detest religion, especially religion with violent tendencies. It's not so much disgust as fear. I think peaceful religions like Taoism, Buddhism are acceptable. Both rules have "Do not killing". The religion of human flesh bombs is terrible. Christianity has had massacres in the past too. I think torture, killing, war should be deleted from all religious books.

Most Chinese people think that the current situation is good, and too many religious believers are not conducive to economic development. Communism and religion are indeed opposites. The philosophy of the Communist Party is a materialist worldview. It is believed that science and technology are the best and superstition is backward. No member of the CCP is allowed to believe in religion, and no person of any religion is allowed to join the CCP unless he renounces his faith.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think peaceful religions like Taoism, Buddhism are acceptable.

Then you don't really detest it, you detest the violence and horrible things advocated by some of them. Communist societies consider all religion unacceptable, aside from worship of the state of course. And yes, they are 100% materialistic and shill hard for the matrix.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mention that bad things should be removed from religious books. I agree for the most part, because I generally think they were added in the first place. It's a pattern we see over and over again: a "radical" new religion or sect emerges, advocates total egalitarianism and non-violence, but over time slowly becomes absorbed into the natural/social order, in which humans are authoritarian and extremely brutal.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

China is not communist, they are capitalist and have been for decades. They have a market economy rather than a centrally planned one, and private individuals rather than the state own the means of production. That isn't communism

Communism and socialism have nothing to do with religion or these kind of social issues, it is an economic ideology. Many many societies have tried to limit religious freedom that practice all sorts of economic ideologies. Like Great Britain and the whole protestant/catholic thing, the inquisition, the Nazi's, the muslim countries and their Sharia law - fuck they even kill rival muslim ideologies over nearly identical interpretations, just like the Brits did. Religious persecution almost always comes from other religious people, not from atheists

Nations have an incentive to create homogeneity, and ironically, its the most liberal countries that have the most religious freedom, and tend to be OK with this kind of diversity

They think they're better than everyone else and think they should have the right to make "more educated" decisions for everyone.

Religious people would never force their ideology onto someone though right? Maybe say that gay people shouldn't be able to get married or something else that literally dictates the way people ought to live?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

China is still communist in principle. They found that full Marxism is completely unfeasible, but they have retained its social aspects which includes suppressing religion.

Religious people in the US, until recently, were very strong supporters of religious freedom for the most part. Ironically it was leftist nutjobs threatening their religious freedom that made them turn on religious freedom, thinking it was a mistake to give others the freedom to not believe that allowed them to become such big enemies.

Authoritarians always go full circle. The right now fully subscribes to the leftist worldview, they're simply on the opposite side. Before they had very different outlooks, and many controversies amounted to faulty comparisons or even semantics.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see some of what you are getting at, and the problem is that we have a very inconsistent definition of what communism is.

The way I see it, communism can mean one of 3 things.

  1. The classical Marxism - I would define this as 'Centralized Authoritarian Communism'

  2. There was a rival Communist theorist to Marx, Peter Kropotkin. He advocated for what I would call 'Decentralized Libertarian Communism' This ideology only shares 2 concepts with Marxism. Public ownership (by direct democracy in small communities, not by representative, not centralized) and lack of markets, because resources are communal. Socially this is the opposite of what most would consider communist ideology. They went with the Marx version of Communism though. Something like Kropotkin's vision was achieved for about 3 years in Spanish Catalonia (George Orwell helped them fight Spain actually) before the Spaniards reconquered them and put them down.

  3. What I would call 'Social Marxism'. This certainly exists, and they seem to have borrowed Marx's rhetorical style, and applied it to social rather than economic issues, although this does not appear to be what Marx advocated or intended (although all the Marxist countries did practice this social oppression, and probably always will, it wasn't part of Marx's work), it does tend to be Authoritarian Left governments going this route, many of which are transitioning from Classic Marxism, so I understand the inclination to conflate this with Marx and Communism, but as an economic theorist this just rankles me a bit to see Communism take on a meaning that has not much to do with economics or capitalism. China is definitely this 3rd thing I'm calling Social Marxism, and no it is not a good thing at all.