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[–]GenderCriticalOnly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

more about actual gender criticism, and was not primarily focused on trans issues

I don’t think you can really separate those two things anymore, sadly, which is why the subreddit had to be created. What had been perfectly normal feminist discussion criticising gender had become cast as transphobic and unacceptable in the existing feminist spaces, even when it wasn’t about trans issues, and discussions of trans issues kept ending up at sexist statements that you couldn’t criticise without being called a bigot.

Here is the sub in October 2013 already showing a mixture of the two, and being brigaded. You can see it in September, too. It’s very much a place for women (and see the emphasis in the sidebar on lesbians) to go and talk about what’s been going wrong in their existing spaces, so I suppose you could call that being about trans issues.

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Bindel was getting death threats over transgender stuff back in 2013? wow. It looks like this war between, well, gender critical / radfem feminism and liberal feminism has been going on for a while now. It says "community for 9 days..." so it was made back around 2013? So it was made directly as a response to this transgender stuff. It did not start out as a community discussing how to liberate women from sex-based expectations as I had thought. I guess there was a lot of that going on in any feminist context. And this is just the continued manifestation of the split or attempted takeover or whatever you want to call it between people who think feminism should include transgender males and people who think it's about female people. Which put opposing feminists in the crosshairs just as much as any organization that goes against lgbt, with the same standards of "disagreement is tantamount to violence", used as an excuse to enact violence.

Was the sub made by feminists on reddit who were getting pushed out of other feminist spaces on reddit?