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It seems like it's pretty pervasive to me. Imo the "alt-right" and associated communities pretty much grew out of the PUA-culture manosphere communities as a reaction against feminism. Something genuinely pro-white seems to be evolving out of it, but I think it was primarily formed of anti-SJWs, by the groups attacked by SJWs (white, men, straight, christian) looking for entertainment.

There are several male alt-right leaders I used to follow.. they had such nice things to say. "The highest form of White activism is raising White children in a healthy environment to become good husbands and wives themselves". "Go free from white guilt, there's nothing wrong with you or your people". But then I check the next day for a morale boost and find comments denigrating women. Or claiming "the essence of manhood is being able to say fuck you I don't care what you think" to a woman. Most men in these movements seem kindof low-key anti-female.

There are inherit conflicts between female nature, and the cold rational decisions a government needs to make.

I mean if you've got a bunch of historical examples, I haven't researched this and I don't know that you're wrong. But it also seems like it's coming from anti-female-ism.

And it makes me feel insane and doubt my own cognitive process, instincts, etc, etc. "Am I just inherently unable to think, like they say?" Well, no, I don't think I am. And that's why it feels like the feminist spaces help, because everywhere else is saturated with stuff like this. I can see other women behaving intelligently and rationally. And then I spend less time thinking, "can I even trust my own thinking?" and go back to just getting on with whatever it is I'm thinking about.

And it seems like there are recurring problems with male-dominated societies. See /s/crime for some recently-posted examples of patterns of failure to protect women in societies under male authority.

Like, it just seems like radfems are right about a lot of things, in the way the alt-right is right about a lot of things about anti-Whiteness being a problem and pro-Whiteness being needed. It's like neither side gets it. They're always like "oh 13/50" or "oh 50/99" but neither discusses the other half. I was surprised to see a post in an alt-right space a little while ago mentioning radical feminism and a lot of guys there were like "yep, don't blame 'em, we're pretty violent, their viewpoint is pretty understandable."

There's also stuff in White history in particular that's set White men and White women against each other, that we may not have fully recovered from.

Silvia Federici documents clearly how the lower classes had their ways of making a living taken from them during the primative accumulation phase of capitalism, and in that process women were stripped of their economic activities and of everything else they had. The witch burnings were about breaking the will of women, their children, especially their daughters, and their communities. That guys went along with it, or over time just accepted the new order, is maybe the worst thing in western history because it bifurcated us. (comment link)

There are a few people in the pro-white sphere pushing back against the anti-women stuff, too. If you find them you might find their perspective interesting.

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I mean if you've got a bunch of historical examples, I haven't researched this and I don't know that you're wrong. But it also seems like it's coming from anti-female-ism.

And it makes me feel insane and doubt my own cognitive process, instincts, etc, etc. "Am I just inherently unable to think, like they say?" Well, no, I don't think I am. And that's why it feels like the feminist spaces help, because everywhere else is saturated with stuff like this. I can see other women behaving intelligently and rationally. And then I spend less time thinking, "can I even trust my own thinking?" and go back to just getting on with whatever it is I'm thinking about.

Here is a starter point: https://www.bitchute.com/video/BIWnf2tqpa63/ | You can dive deep down the rabbit hole using this as a launch point. It's fair to say I don't believe in Universal Suffrage in general, other discussion within this thread on that topic. Many make the mistake of leaping from "the average of X group is Y" to broad sweeping statements that can not equitably be applied universally. I'd also recommend the book "Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control", by E Michael Jones - it's rough around the edges but haphazardly points in many other useful research directions.

Having said all that, an overarching approach to addressing any problem should be aimed at the average rather than the outlier. For instance, if I actually wanted to live in a multicultural society - I'd still wish to eliminate taboos related to race realism. I'd want a classroom full of Somalians to have a different curriculum and educational objectives than a classroom full of Japanese kids. Using the same approach for both is just setting up the Somalian kids for failure.


There's also stuff in White history in particular that's set White men and White women against each other, that we may not have fully recovered from.

Based on my admittedly limited exposure to Silvia Federici's claims, I'd call her a Marxist crackpot that interprets everything through her own Critical Theory lens. The accusations she levies within this work are not concordant with my own extensive research into European history.

There are a few people in the pro-white sphere pushing back against the anti-women stuff, too. If you find them you might find their perspective interesting.

Certainly, I'd appreciate links or names.

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Certainly, I'd appreciate links or names.

I used to do that, but the content creators I linked got banned... so I don't do it anymore. I think if you're meant to find them you will.

There's also stuff in White history in particular that's set White men and White women against each other, that we may not have fully recovered from.

It's not just this author in particular (I don't know anything about her, I just thought that guys comment was pretty interesting). The witch burning stuff did happen, and many do theorize that it was about Semitic conquest. Women carry the culture both literally in their eggs and behaviorally through carrying the people's traditions. It's usually the womenfolk who like to decorate around holidays and stuff, yeah? Who teach the children about their heritage and where they come from? Who grow stuff, both plants and people. Women are stereotyped as being concerned with living things and nurturing and growing them.

So the idea is the witch burnings were part of the conquest to destroy the old cultural traditions as part of the conquest. They had to kill the tradition, and to do that you kill the women, turn people against the women who refuse to bow to the conquestors ideology (Christianity), etc. Yes there were men burned as well, but it was mostly women because of women's role.

Men were encouraged to view women in this horrible way, as horrible, dirty things. The medieval torture devices and stuff you see. Even today men are still excited about "burn the witch!" ... they don't realize that's their own people's women :( Some see echos of this in pornography with the way women are treated badly. ("porne" is derrived from a word for buy/sell and may have referred to sex slaves) Pornography is a continuation of the same tradition that is evident in sex trafficking problems of eastern european women in the middle east. Women look so degraded in pornography because that's literally what it is, it's viewing these women, our White women, as the spoils of war, as slaves, who it's ok to degrade. Perhaps as less than human if that's really the view of some middle eastern groups. Imo that's where "dumb blonde" may come from as well. If you look up depictions of White goddesses they have a very different aesthetic about them, but that's not how women are usually presented in pornography. Because it's less erotic? No, because it's less porn (slave)-ographic. That's also why pornography is so objectifying: slaves are in a sense seen as objects as compared to a Free(beloved) woman or man.

For another perspective, there is also the femanon who goes around 4chan talking about how all enduring societies are matriarchal. Jews survive because they are matriarchal, for example. A race or people is, in a very real sense, it's women: she hold the majority of the biological matter needed to propagate the species, she knows the culture, etc. And men are biologically less loyal. Males of many species also often tend to travel more in search of their mate than females do, creating more opportunity for disloyalty. She points out the greater racial infidelity rates among White men as compared to White women. I suppose the reality might be that the fate of the White race has always been in its women.


To go back to education and IQ, imo most male alt-righters have somehow too biologically fixed an idea of things. It's like they somehow don't recognize that things can be nurtured, that improvements can be made. Idk, I could be deluded about IQ but it seems like they're ignoring part of reality there. Habits of mind matter. IQ objectively changes throughout life, sometimes in response to environment. I saw a post in an alt-right space that recently women were measured to surpass men in IQ, perhaps as a result of changing roles. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a woman of Somalian origin, and ... well, she survived by protecting herself intelligently from those who would do her harm, and her friend Theo did not.

Overall your point about averages seems sound though. I don't think anyone would want to permanently be relegated to the "dumb class". But maybe the better way to do this is more individualized and self-paced learning, as the internet and interactive stuff is increasingly making easier. And which would also be possible through home-schooling. And which is perhaps more natural anyway, letting children just learn naturally through play and exploration rather than through being told "do it exactly the way this other person says to do it."


That was a bit of a jumbled reply, sorry. I think I got in most of what I had to say in response to your post though.

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To go back to education and IQ, imo most male alt-righters have somehow too biologically fixed an idea of things.

Unfortunately there is a reason many people are biologically fixated when discussing IQ. Enough "IQ Correlated" genes have been identified now that we can tell your IQ within a range of about 7 points without ever looking at you or having you take a test. We can just parse your DNA and say, "Yeah, X person will be 68 as an adult with bad childhood nutrition/education, or 75 with great nutrition/education.".

I specifically used Somalians as an example, because the average IQ is in Somalia is 68, lower than Koko the Gorilla.

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Are you trying to "red pill" me? Is that why you responded only on one specific thing and not the rest of what I typed out? Were you uninterested in actually engaging?

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Are you trying to "red pill" me? Is that why you responded only on one specific thing and not the rest of what I typed out? Were you uninterested in actually engaging?

Nah, I just read your post right before our evening walk and wanted to interject a quick thought before heading out the door.

It's not just this author in particular (I don't know anything about her, I just thought that guys comment was pretty interesting). The witch burning stuff did happen, and many do theorize that it was about Semitic conquest. Women carry the culture both literally in their eggs and behaviorally through carrying the people's traditions. It's usually the womenfolk who like to decorate around holidays and stuff, yeah? Who teach the children about their heritage and where they come from? Who grow stuff, both plants and people. Women are stereotyped as being concerned with living things and nurturing and growing them.

So the idea is the witch burnings were part of the conquest to destroy the old cultural traditions as part of the conquest. They had to kill the tradition, and to do that you kill the women, turn people against the women who refuse to bow to the conquestors ideology (Christianity), etc. Yes there were men burned as well, but it was mostly women because of women's role.

Men were encouraged to view women in this horrible way, as horrible, dirty things. The medieval torture devices and stuff you see. Even today men are still excited about "burn the witch!" ... they don't realize that's their own people's women :( Some see echos of this in pornography with the way women are treated badly. ("porne" is derrived from a word for buy/sell and may have referred to sex slaves) Pornography is a continuation of the same tradition that is evident in sex trafficking problems of eastern european women in the middle east. Women look so degraded in pornography because that's literally what it is, it's viewing these women, our White women, as the spoils of war, as slaves, who it's ok to degrade. Perhaps as less than human if that's really the view of some middle eastern groups. Imo that's where "dumb blonde" may come from as well. If you look up depictions of White goddesses they have a very different aesthetic about them, but that's not how women are usually presented in pornography. Because it's less erotic? No, because it's less porn (slave)-ographic. That's also why pornography is so objectifying: slaves are in a sense seen as objects as compared to a Free(beloved) woman or man.

These are all very astute observations, and I don't disagree with any of it. All of this was part of the (Semitic) Christian conquest of our native people. I think this conquest was a terrible thing. The fact that Semitic religions have vastly worse approaches to gender than our native ones is just the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately I have little hope of leading our people in a pagan reformation, so I've had to learn to live with the Christians that permeate the right. In spite of my personal distaste for Christianity I can't deny that has in the past and present produced some of our most impressive cultural works.

Recently completed Russian Orthodox Military Cathedral: https://files.catbox.moe/zmvklg.mp4

I have also arrived over the years at the opinion that religion is absolutely necessary to have a functional non-decadent society.

The "dumb blond" bit though I remember having read originated as anti-German propaganda. It's contrary to observable reality.

For another perspective, there is also the femanon who goes around 4chan talking about how all enduring societies are matriarchal. Jews survive because they are matriarchal, for example. A race or people is, in a very real sense, it's women: she hold the majority of the biological matter needed to propagate the species, she knows the culture, etc. And men are biologically less loyal. Males of many species also often tend to travel more in search of their mate than females do, creating more opportunity for disloyalty. She points out the greater racial infidelity rates among White men as compared to White women. I suppose the reality might be that the fate of the White race has always been in its women.

I think it's in both of our hands, and that's why some elements of the right piss me off. It is up to the men to defend and provide for the women, the women to defend our children and traditions, and all of us to defend our culture. Both genders have been derelict in their duties, and it's gonna take both of us to fix it.

Overall your point about averages seems sound though. I don't think anyone would want to permanently be relegated to the "dumb class". But maybe the better way to do this is more individualized and self-paced learning, as the internet and interactive stuff is increasingly making easier. And which would also be possible through home-schooling. And which is perhaps more natural anyway, letting children just learn naturally through play and exploration rather than through being told "do it exactly the way this other person says to do it."

Yeah, there are solid reasons to home school all of your children, and they aren't just to avoid subjecting our children to false history and shitty propaganda. Males and females don't even learn the same ways with equal efficiency. The same topic can be taught quicker and more effectively with teaching approaches geared towards the temperament / perception / mental differences between the sexes.

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Not at all, I just read your post right before our evening walk and wanted to interject a quick thought before heading out the door.

I see, hopefully it's understandable how I might have misunderstood. It still does seem to me like people make this IQ thing out to be more static than it is, but I already shared my thoughts on that.

Unfortunately I have little hope of leading our people in a pagan reformation, so - I've had to learn with the Christians that permeate the right.

There are a lot of "pagans" (I'm not sure if I prefer "pre-Christian traditions or some other name)... you just think it's not substantial enough a number?

Both of us have been derelict in our duties, and it's gonna take both of us to fix it.

Yeah.

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I see, hopefully it's understandable how I might have misunderstood.

For sure. I did clean up my post a bit while you were responding.

It still does seem to me like people make this IQ thing out to be more static than it is, but I already shared my thoughts on that.

I think it's observably not as plastic as I wish it was. The Minnesota trans-racial adoption studies provide some interesting insights here. In it, black children raised from birth by wealthy white parents ended up as adults having IQ's that correlated with their biological parents, not their adoptive ones.

There are a lot of "pagans" (I'm not sure if I prefer "pre-Christian traditions or some other name)... you just think it's not substantial enough a number?

Unfortunately not. I've flirted with the idea of attending a meeting or event of the Asatru folk assembly - I may yet do that. Usually though, people doing "woo woo" religious things makes me feel awkward and uncomfortable. I'm more comfortable attending things like militia and board room meetings. Personal flaw.