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[–]Feck_Reddit 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Brilliantly written and articulates how Reddit is now. I am sick to death of being shutdown by thugs that don’t like to hear a different opinion. Like you said, why does no one challenge Islam’s horrendous treatment of women? Also why is so much all about historical slavery when the Middle East and norther Africa enslave more now that ever before. And in my country the UK, nobody understands that the Barberry slave trade enslaved more British & European white people than the number of black African people that were sent to the American 13 colonies at the height of that slave trade.

[–]ech[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you try telling the average woke westerner about the Saharan slave trade they literally don’t believe you.

[–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the problem most people have is that the Barbery slave trade or Saharan slave trade are brought up as whataboutisms to the slave trade that occurred in the US and doesn't do anything to address the current problem.

Now I'm not saying that to minimize any of the slave trades, but I think it's been historically demonstrated that the US slave trade brought several problems to the black population in the US. Whether or not those effects are still accurately felt beyond self-victimization or if they need to be fixed (mostly through reparations) is an entirely different subject.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think whataboutism is like conspiracy theories, a term made up by our rulers to make legitimate discussion not work, it's a way to keep us from using facts and logic to win arguments, and to allow double think to prevail.

[–]King_Brutus 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a legitimate fallacy in arguments, but the problem is that people so liberally use it nowadays that you can't compare anything without it being "whataboutism" and trying to shut down the discussion.

Comparing things is a legitimate form of argument and honestly whataboutism being applied correctly is pretty rare.

[–]apoliticalinactivist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Historical american slavery is different mainly due to the fact that people were born into with no recourse. This is a major difference in comparison with most other forms of historical slavery (war, raids, and debt) in that there was a fundamental sense of inherent worth of being born "less than". There is also more awareness as modern blacks have been barred from establishing their own culture independent from that of "white" america and so, keep the struggle alive.

Modern slavery is a problem, yet with globalization, it is seen as more of a national problem, in that "sucks if your country can't protect its citizens". Unfortunately, with the rampant hypocrisy of the UN security council nations, it's next to impossible to take any real action without a veto based on violating national sovereignty.

As for Islam, similar to most other religions, it's more about the people who practice, than the texts themselves. In the golden age of Islam, the texts were the same, yet their culture valued knowledge and science. In each era, organized religion is merely used as a political tool to move the masses and exercise power; it's the same today. We run into the same political issues regarding international treatment of women, it's a national issue and nothing will be done unless the greedy politicians see a profit to be had.

While we are distracted by the debate, the ones in power give zero fucks and only chase the money; so if we want change to occur, we need to talk and figure out what we DO agree on and make change happen.