Woke-hating Lefty, here after the GenderCritical ban

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[–]liberty_primer 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I don't agree with GC, but I hope you can find a good space to express yourself here.

By all means, ban men on your sub. All I ask is that y'all don't ever try to control other subs. Seeing toxic shit you disagree with is the price of doing business of a free speech forum.

[–]Wrang1er 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What is GC about, is it anti trans or something?

[–]liberty_primer 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

To be blunt, it’s mainly a lot of women that despise males. Even the ones that live as women. They also seem pretty butthurt that women got knocked off the their formerly high position in the identity based oppression olympics hierarchy.

Case in point: They want women only spaces, but would not extend the same courtesy to men.

[–]KilgirlTrout 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think a lot of GC women want men to have their own spaces.

It's a diverse community. I think what unifies us is that we think our female bodies matter and we are critical of gender ideology (but even the nature of that critique differs depending on who you are talking to).

I hope they do let men participate in the sub so you guys can learn more about the perspectives of women there.

[–]liberty_primer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I recall a thread where the consensus was that women should have institutionalized spaces away from men IRL but not the reverse.

EG: Men making something like a gym male only wasn’t acceptable in the consensus view. I’d dig up the thread ... or countless other threads that exude extreme hateful bias against males, but the sub is gone.

Anyway, y’all as individuals might be cool. I’ve just seen some hateful shit on the original sub.

[–]Papitas 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know why so many people have quite a difficult time wrapping their minds around the idea that your body matters.

I usually ask them this: do you think you would be the same person if you were taller/shorter, fatter/thinner, etc?

If something as basic as that can shape your reality to such degree, imagine being born as the opposite sex.

[–]slushpilot 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Case in point: They want women only spaces, but would not extend the same courtesy to men

No, that's false. There was a r/GenderCritical and a separate r/GenderCriticalGuys sub for a reason. Interesting conversations in both. Same issues, different perspectives.

[–]liberty_primer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, but women were allowed to post in GC Guys.

Not the other way around. Men aren’t allowed to tell a woman to get out of their space and still be good people in most GC feminists’ minds.

I wish I archived it. There was literally a thread where a bunch of highly upvoted commenters endorsed such a double standard.

Anyway. I’m totally okay with allowing y’all this space. I’m just saying, GC feminists have, in my experience, been hypocrites on this topic. I’d love to be proven wrong though.

[–]slushpilot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm curious if you actually have an example of an unwelcome woman forcefully inserting herself into a group of men. I'm not claiming it could never happen, but in my experience it's predominately the other way around.

I don't really see this polite request as a double standard, it's just an observation of what necessitates itself based on human behaviour. Do you think more men get caught peeping in women's changing rooms, or the other way around? Is it a double standard if it's 100-to-zero men needing to be told not to do that?

It's similar with conversation spaces. Personally I think it's fine to join in there and ask questions or share how something connects to your own life, but too often a man will come in to say he doesn't see things the same way (no shit), and try to debate "as a man blablabla". Too often those opinions are tired and unoriginal because they already exist pretty much everywhere else.

[–]liberty_primer 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m curious if you actually have an example of an unwelcome woman forcefully inserting herself into a group of men.

In some sense, this is how the history of women’s lib played out. EG: antidiscrimination laws and making universities that were formerly male only admit females.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t blame women in the old days for using these tactics (I can’t think of a better way they could have achieved their goals) but that’s basically what it was.

You do have a point that men tend to encroach on women’s spaces more than the other way around. At least if “feels” like that’s the case.

However, I suspect if a very successful male only professional association started up, women would be demanding access to it.

I’m also pretty sure GCs would be cool with subreddits like r/theredpill getting banned. In that case, it’s actually worse. They don’t merely want access. They want to destroy the community.

But again, my philosophy is ... don’t fuck with me, I won’t fuck with you.

I for one think y’all should have your online space and I don’t intend to barge into it.

[–]aldoushuxleyghost 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh ya, I've seen that. Thanks for welcoming us anyway. I don't share their attitude but I understand why they have it (lots of previous trauma I have too little experience with, thank God.)