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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

How do you feel about broader societal trends that funnel and pressure them directly into it?

Such as? Show me just one mainstream commercial or propaganda piece trying to convince women to be housewives or stay at home moms. Restriction: Must be within the past 30 years and must be in a Western country. If you can find me even one I'll be impressed, I can provide thousands of counter-examples.

/edit: Outside of propaganda, depressed wages resulting from a doubling of the labor supply have created strong societal pressures for women to work, as the majority of men are no longer able to earn enough alone to support a family. Many families these days either can't afford the luxury of a single income home, or are unwilling to compromise their materialistic lifestyles to achieve it.

[–]radfem 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

I never said women aren't required to now work outside the home.

I said women are pressured by broader societal trends to be wives and mothers. Which is why feminism pushes back against that norm.

But please if you'd like, feel free to show me social prop discouraging women from marrying and producing children. I'd really love to see it.

Also... you freely acknowledge that most men cannot afford to have their wives stay at home regardless, is that because of feminism too or do you think predator capitalism might have something to do with it?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

I said women are pressured by broader societal trends to be wives and mothers. Which is why feminism pushes back against that norm.

Ok, show or name them.

But please if you like it, feel free to show me social prop discouraging women from marrying and producing children. I'd really love to see it.

Ok, for the sake of brevity I'll limit myself to some recent entries.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/culture/article/You-don-t-want-to-bring-a-baby-into-a-world-14487515.php

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/children-climate-change-reproduction-conceivable-future-birthstrike_n_5d134d63e4b0aa375f564d27

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/26/climate-change-war-famine-drought-makes-women-not-want-children/3099448002/

https://www.mic.com/articles/114040/for-young-women-not-having-children-has-become-the-rational-decision

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/is-it-okay-to-have-children-in-a-time-of-climate-chaos-1.4258290

I can keep going and going, but I'm sure none of this is hitting you outta left field. You've probably seen and heard it's like over and over through the years: perhaps not seeing it for what it is. The biggest obstacle to replacement levels of children seems to be statistically be, educational attainment. The bitch of biology is, it doesn't care why you're not having kids. You're dying out if you're below replacement level. This breeding that is still occurring above replacement level, which the exception of those on the very conservative end of the political spectrum, is very dysgenic.

The left tries to act like humanity is above biology and you can't breed better or worse humans. This is demonstrably wrong, intelligence especially is extremely heritable. To the degree that if you've sequenced your genes, you can conduct a "genetic IQ" test, that is as accurate as the administered ones. Maybe intelligence is a negative trait evolution is correcting for? That's certainly been the effect evidencing itself for the past 70 years. We've been - through welfare programs, encouraging our stupidest and most violent to breed like rabbits - while talking ourselves into having less kids later (higher chances of defects and failure). This has had disastrous effects within only a few generations. The average IQ in Baltimore right now is below 80.

I refuse to give up what we've achieved so easily. I'm not naive enough to think humans above the rules of biology. If we don't collectively sort our shit out and fast, evolution will march on. Natural selection only cares about reproductive success and survival. Our inflated IQ's will be left in fossil territory if we don't buckle up. If we want to have a future that's not a dystopian hellhole we should be encouraging the smartest and healthiest among us to have loads of children while they are young; and discourage our weakest and stupidest from having them at all.

The life stages for women should not mirror those of men. Men are education --> education --> career --> children --> death

A much more healthy pattern for the success of the species would look like this for women. education --> children --> education --> career --> death

Feminism's desire to transform women into men has caused this. A bright 17 year old girl who says, "I want to get married and have children next year, after High School" would have almost all aspects of society and school telling them they are "throwing their life away". Obviously, I'd tell them - "That's fantastic, good luck with motherhood!". That is not what feminists would tell them.

[–]radfem 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

So women are discouraged from having children because it's financially disastrous and the planet is literally dying but... that's just feminists discouraging women from pursuing their natural motherly drives because they want women to be like men? Not seeing the connection. Meanwhile whos fault is it that it's financially disastrous to have children and that the planet is dying? That feminists too or do you think male CEOs, politicians and policy makers should take some credit here as well?

Ps considering the landscape you yourself have described wouldn't that 17 year old be better off working in earth sciences trying to correct some of our current climate issues or should she leave that to the males?

Pps if you're so worried about population why don't you or any of your like minded brothers ever take the initiative to stay home and raise children? Or support men who do?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

So women are discouraged from having children because it's financially disastrous and the planet is literally dying but... that's just feminists discouraging women from pursuing their natural motherly drives because they want women to be like men?

The planet dying is...overrated. If we really wanted to fix pollution issues we'd cut off the two primary sources of pollution, Africa and China. However, those are only ever mentioned in passing when we talk about solving the earth's problems. It's only White western people that need to make changes. By the same token, it's always White western women that are propagandized not to have more children. I assure you the jewish women writing these articles would self identify as feminists.

Not seeing the connection. Meanwhile whos fault is it that it's financially disastrous to have children and that the planet is dying? That feminists too or do you think male CEOs, politicians and policy makers should take some credit here as well?

Heh, who do you think funds Feminism? It's largely not women.

Pps if you're so worried about population why don't you or any of your like minded brothers ever take the initiative to stay home and raise children? Or support men who do?

I suppose I shouldn't be worried. As I said, only those classifying themselves as "extremely right wing" are above replacement rate. That includes people like me and my family. We've done our part.

Even though I think many of you are misguided, I don't necessarily think the world will be better off when your lot has died out. I do enjoy conversations outside of my normal circles.

[–]radfem 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

You didn't answer the question though...

In those articles why are women being told not to have children?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Because it's bad for the environment. I've also seen Whites specifically being told not to have children because their "Whiteness" is toxic. That's particularly cancerous propaganda coming out of the Critical Theory camps.

You didn't provide examples for "pressured by broader societal trends to be wives and mothers". I am still curious what you've got there. I'd probably consider whatever you do have a positive development, but that's aside from the point.

[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

So not from feminists because women should aspire to be men then?

Also sorry where are feminists calling white mother's toxic. Haven't seen that one either I'm afraid.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

So not from feminists because women should aspire to be men then?

Sorry, not following.

Also sorry where are feminists calling white mother's toxic. Haven't that one either I'm afraid.

There are a bunch, here is one.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/white-kids-racism-way-privileged-parenting-props-unjust-system-ncna953951

This is the author: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/05/12/noah-berlatsky-perseveres-in-his-quest-to-become-americas-next-top-feminist/

Still want the "broader societal trends". When you said it, it sounded so easy to quantify that it wouldn't be difficult to evidence. If you can't locate evidence what was your thought?

[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

That was what you said...

Do you need me to directly quote you, do you not remember your own arguments a few hours later.

Meanwhile that article is about generational racism and how racist people have racist children... so I guess it might in a round about way be about white people not having kids if you think all white people are racist. Also not from a feminist.

You're really striking out here.