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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

/u/HeyImSancho has an illustrative post and the 8chan FBI setup.

(http://shoebat.com/2019/06/18/major-scandal-as-fbi-accidentally-outs-itself-provoking-violence-on-8chan-over-earnest-shooting/)

QUOTE: "This is a very serious thing because if one reads the 8chan court document, the FBI is accusing people who RESPONDED to THEIR OWN POSTS ATTEMPTING TO PROVOKE PEOPLE as though they were inciting violence and therefore are guilty of federal crimes. This means that the government encouraged crimes and then people who said ANYTHING in response are at risk of being arrested.

It is quite reminiscent of a case in 2016, where during a massive “child porn” bust, it was uncovered that the FBI was running with the authorization of the government approximately two dozen of such websites, making up nearly half of all of the major websites promoting abuse material on the deep web:"

This is essentially entrapment.

It's it reasonable for 8chan to be punished for the FBI entrapment if it's members?

[–]IamRedBeard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you start a site and have no moderation. You allow Loli porn, and hate speech and some really dark misogyny that goes mostly uncensored and then want to whine when you get the worst of the FBI trolling your site?

So the FBI hung out on the darkest, shittiest places on the dark web and then wated for people to come in have a chat and then snagged them?

So the FBI went in to places that had a reputation for being Violent and then acted like other members - and when the hottest of the hotheads agreed to go killing folk they got arrested? That sounds about right. They controlled the environment and bypassed the shit talkers and went straight to the folks they figured would actually take action. That is a sting, not entrapment. Why wonder where the bomb is going to go off when you can control the time and place?

The FBI set up sites on the dark web to catch predators? They set up big signs that said "get your pedo here" and when people waltzed in they got tagged. Again - I see it threading the needle of the law - but if people weren't trolling for naked kids - they wouldn't have gotten caught.

Honestly I love when armchair lawyers like to scream entrapment. They ususally dont know what the hell they are talking about.

Ill tell you something about the FBI and Cops in general - The only difference between Pirates, thugs, criminals, sex offenders and reprobates of all kinds and people in law enforcement is a badge, with maybe 4 in 10 that really want to help and make a difference without compromising their morels.

Again. 8chan was/is a despicable place and cloudflare looked the other way as long as it could. 8chan became somebody they cant do business with any more. Its a business decision. And probably a good one. You will have your hate site back in a day or two. Shit - they cant shut down The Pirate Bay - They cant shut down 8chan either.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

8chan is an unmoderated forum, and implicitly a free speech platform.

It's apparent to me that you do not support free speech as a personal value.

Freedom of speech can only be described as a value, if and only if, one can say that they support free speech for those people whose message one despises.

I am willing to tolerate just about anything that is stated; assuming that person actually believes what they are saying.

This is the only free speech personal standard that counts. Anything less than this is hypocrisy.

The anti-hate speech position is morally bankrupt.

It's a thinly veiled form of censorship that is used to suppress others.

I am not surprised that you are in favor of this development. Regardless, I support your right to speak freely about your approval.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

yep, that's the problem and joy of free speech. People say some dumb and irritating stuff.

Leftists in particular annoy the crap out of me, but in places like 8ch they are not silenced, rather met with facts and debate that they can't censor.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good point.