Alice Piper fought the law and won

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[–]goobandit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

There’s already been illegal immigrants barred from my reservation for crimes against tribal people, so trust me, I’m aware.

In AZ, it’s their land to decide if they want a wall or not, regardless of what you and I think, regardless of the greater impact for immigration UNLESS the gov admits they’re aiding a rebellion or insurrection, in which case they are guilty AND SO IS EVERY ORG HELPING IMMIGRANTS. I’m not even opposed to borders, how can I be if I’m defending property? These no border NGOs pollute our causes with global bullshit because they don’t want anyone but them to own land! The fact is that area of border is tribal property and their tribe’s decision. It’s either theirs or the government can take it back, take their sovereignty back, take their citizenship back, and take yours back too.

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barred? technically they're barred from coming into the entire USA but what good is a law if not enforced. Would the native american police authroties deport an illegal if they found one? I am sure they would. As is their right.

I'd assume you would want to expand your borders, to not just be forced onto small reservations but to take back land that was long ago stolen by immigrants from europe. That won't be happening due to any agreements, or contracts, only by war, and the barrel of a gun. You should want to anyways. It is also human nature to want to expand borders, it has happened, all of history is fighting over land. Native Americans are also being by a great replacement, numbers are dwindling due to inbreeding, lower birth rates, poor healthcare, some day perhaps they will be gone and the reservations will just be taken back.

It's not a states issue it's a fed govt issue to enforce the borders.

[–]goobandit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'd assume you would want to expand your borders, to not just be forced onto small reservations but to take back land that was long ago stolen by immigrants from europe.

Original goal of Landback movement, to expand land and hold stewardship over greater areas. Some tribes just wanted land acknowledgment.

It's not a states issue it's a fed govt issue to enforce the borders.

And they only do when it comes to regular citizens, while people working in government offices donate and receive donations from orgs to further illegal immigration.

And like you said, it’s up to the fed gov whether or not to deport someone. I believe if found on tribal property, the person will be taken to a federal prison facility, but I’m not 100%

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Do you mean though, if an illegal immigrant is found on your reservation, the native american authroties, whomever they may be, I mean whomever is in charge, they will detain that person then drive and deliver them to some federal prison? That would make sense, it would be a longer drive and unnecessary to drive them all the way to mexico or whatever country. It's your soverign land though so the main thing you would care about is getting them out of it.

[–]goobandit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Usually they issue notice that the person is barred in the newspaper AFTER they’ve already been removed from the reservation. And yeah, if you commit a felony on reservation, you go to federal prison. Even if it’s a tribal member committing a felony, they might be held for a bit in tribal jail, but same.

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I guess that's fine as long as they go to a prison, would you want to create and maintain your own huge prisons, probably not. Would you be angry at all if say a tribal member did commit a felony, it's proven guilty and all, but the fed govt decided to let them out of prison? Sometimes they do that, shortening sentences for woke reasons or because of the pandemic.

[–]Heterophobe4Life 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Said the racist.

[–]goobandit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Depends on what felony. My brother is in prison and is trying to get out early on some woke bullshit. I think he should stay, but I also am worried about who he’s with in there because there’s not a lot of natives. People in prison know we get money so I worry about him becoming gang affiliated and not knowing what the fuck that means. Kinda makes me wish we did keep them in our own prison on the reservation.

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yeah him being in prison can for sure be a problem for him, but of course if he is guilty he deserves to be there. Yeah in a perfect world you'd have your own prisons, and your own everything that a sovereign country has, but that is difficult logistically. Natives sometimes make good money on things like pipelines or casinos, many other things, maybe they could afford to build their own prisons someday. Woke people would shreak but who cares. It's not a fun topic but prisons are important.

[–]goobandit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a fun topic

Yup, the parties only want hypothetical bullshit solutions to use for political gain. No one wants the hard conversations but that’s the only way to enact any change or connect with people. Most don’t want to hear anything negative, even if it’ll help them in the long run, and those in power know giving out crumbs is good enough.

Thanks for shooting the shit with me, Popper. I’d like to think we’ve gained a bit of mutual understanding through this exchange.

in a perfect world

That’s where I’m trying to go!