The world owes us for the lives it stole from us.

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[–]Mazurro 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

World itself is just a place, people are the reason why you and me suffer.

[–]greybeard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Disagree, this is the thing where I agree with the ITcels. The world owes me nothing and nobody is entitled to anything. World is a cruel place. This doesn't even bother me anymore after a brief anger phase.

Though the world burning would surely be entertaining and one of the better ways to go out for me.

[–]automoderator[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'Entitled' is a fairly meaningless term that does not accurately describe most of the incels on this sub or elsewhere on the Internet. On one extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who literally believe that they should be able to force women to date them. On the other extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who are merely frustrated or sad that they can't find anyone at all to date them. This type of frustration is reasonable, since sex and romantic relationships are regarded by many as one of the most fulfilling things in life. The problem with using the word 'entitled' for both categories of men is that it lumps them together, demonizing men in the latter category by companing them to men in the former category. If you wish to criticize our views, please be more specific than merely calling us 'entitled'.

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[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes the world deserves to burn, but no the world doesn't owe anyone anything. Since humanity has turned to shit, it is hard for any decent person to find a mate, but it is probably harder for women than for men these days.

[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the world doesn't owe anyone anything

I think this is a modern way of thinking, probably influenced by capitalism and American individualism. The modern concept of 'owing' is limited to clearly defined tit-for-tat transactions. Traditional ideas about social contracts and duties involved more complex, nuanced and sometimes asymmetric exchanges of value.

Obviously social groups and institutions exist to provide collective value to their members, otherwise what is the point? It isn't that a given individual is entitled to a specific thing, like marrying the girl of his dreams or being the CEO of SpaceX. Rather, individuals who form part of a collective should reasonably be able to expect opportunities to exist for them based solely on their membership in the group.

I that sense, "the world" - not all of humanity, but the social structures to which individuals belong - does owe people something.

[–]automoderator[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'Entitled' is a fairly meaningless term that does not accurately describe most of the incels on this sub or elsewhere on the Internet. On one extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who literally believe that they should be able to force women to date them. On the other extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who are merely frustrated or sad that they can't find anyone at all to date them. This type of frustration is reasonable, since sex and romantic relationships are regarded by many as one of the most fulfilling things in life. The problem with using the word 'entitled' for both categories of men is that it lumps them together, demonizing men in the latter category by companing them to men in the former category. If you wish to criticize our views, please be more specific than merely calling us 'entitled'.

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[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If we want to discuss the notion of people being "owed" something, "the world" is too broad a category, so of course it sounds silly and "entitled" to say "the world owes me". But we can reasonably say that there are social structures that "owe" people something. These are the groups into which individuals are born: families, clans, tribes, ethnic groups, nations, religions, and so on. Rather than "owing something" as in being indebted to individuals with a negative balance sheet entry, these structures, when healthy, have something of positive value to provide to individuals. These could be things like good rearing, education, social 'goodwill', etc., all of which should in turn lead to economic opportunities, eligibility to find a mate, and raise one's own family in a reasonable community - creating positive feedback for the next generation.

So it's not that people are "owed" something due to their having earned it through personal effort or merit, but rather that a good society creates surplus social (and material) value, which can be more or less fairly "distributed" among its members. Individuals are not just "given stuff" like spoiled children, but they are given reasonable opportunities to make use of, which they must work for. Their work in turn contributes to the commons; this arrangement can be said to represent a social contract. When this situation has begun to break down, (some) individuals are still compelled to contribute, but are unable to acquire the social goods that previous generations came to expect ('be entitled to'). These individuals are frequently dismissed as whiners, based on the erroneous assumption that the opportunities are still there, so failure to advance one's interests must be due to personal failings rather than the decay of social structures (a process which is anyway too abstract for the average person to comprehend).

[–]automoderator[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

'Entitled' is a fairly meaningless term that does not accurately describe most of the incels on this sub or elsewhere on the Internet. On one extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who literally believe that they should be able to force women to date them. On the other extreme, the word 'entitled' is used to describe men who are merely frustrated or sad that they can't find anyone at all to date them. This type of frustration is reasonable, since sex and romantic relationships are regarded by many as one of the most fulfilling things in life. The problem with using the word 'entitled' for both categories of men is that it lumps them together, demonizing men in the latter category by companing them to men in the former category. If you wish to criticize our views, please be more specific than merely calling us 'entitled'.

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[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who is 'us'? Your comment is reasonable, but I am concerned it may be spam, since you've posted it three times to the same thread.

Can someone please explain who/what is generating these comments?