Proposed SaidIt Policy Ideas For magnora7 To Consider - And For Your Feedback

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[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That didn't ping me..I wonder why, maybe I have mentions off in settings... Anyways, I like that you are trying to organize regular users...but I don't understand why in this matter...I see absolutely nothing wrong with current system of regulating speech or behavior on Saidit....

I'm a simple man, I see something right, I will not try and fix it.

But, if you used that organizing to for instance make people into promoters of Saidit on the wider net, that would be so beneficial! We need more users, more redpilled people who would like to contribute. Could make planned actions to "spread the word" that this is the real free speech and exchange of ideas zone!

Basically, for a popular message boards you need loyal mods who are at the same time content machines and are pretty much on the same page...There should also be some kind of a financial incentive there, some revenue share program.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks for chiming in. While I may or may not agree on some things, I value all opinions.

" I see absolutely nothing wrong with current system of regulating speech or behavior on Saidit... "

Without getting all COVID fear porn on you about imaginary threats, just because you don't see a problem doesn't mean there haven't been any. Also, you aren't the disciplinarian here, and the admin, and coder, and security, and leadership, and and and... My main goal is to lighten and redistribute the load and stress and to open things up for democratic input.

" I'm a simple man, I see something right, I will not try and fix it. "

Wisdom. Yet every passing day and every new user evolves SaidIt. Change is inevitable. Steering the change requires intention.

" But, if you used that organizing to for instance make people into promoters of Saidit on the wider net, that would be so beneficial! "

I love it! I've been doing my part in this regard here there and everywhere over the last 20 months. I also have a short animation that I need to finish for a SaidIt promo as well as ideas about SaidIt based aggregated newsletters for people who don't have time to filter through dozens and dozens of posts - plus some ideas about merchandising. But if we can't even talk to admin, get some decent "justice", and/or even get a "donate" button in the top right corner, then what point is there promoting a limited system that may not even be able to handle more people. Having a secretive admin is comparable to getting an auto-response from Silicon Valley and unless there's interactivity and community and purpose SaidIt is only a tool to be used until it is shut down, bought out, or we get banished.

One more thing about reaching out. On the Ripple Effect there was an all-start truth-seeker video show and much of what they were talking about was the censorship thing, the diversity of options out there and the problems with all that. Meanwhile NONE of them were realizing that SaidIt is the aggregating truther-friendly hub they're all looking for to centrally post about their content off-site, regardless of what platform or archive system(s). IMO, we should really be hounding them, our favourite content producers, to post here to reach everyone. A good viral video might help.

" We need more users, more redpilled people who would like to contribute. "

Couldn't agree more. I'd love to see less left-right bickering.

" Basically, for a popular message boards you need loyal mods who are at the same time content machines and are pretty much on the same page...There should also be some kind of a financial incentive there, some revenue share program. "

I agree generally. Specifically, I have mixed feelings about "content machines". Quality is always better than quantity, and IMO that also includes organization. (SaidIt's search is lame, the subs are chaos, there are no metatags, people post in the same subs regardless of topical content, etc. Laziness abounds and there was nothing done to prevent it. Researchers here have their work cut out for them unnecessarily. But what's done is done.) Same page - generally. I know M7 was keen on bringing on some kind of crypto reward thing. I like the idea too. I have concerns about how it might be implemented as in other cases there have been imbalances and such. Steemit has whales rewarded for content, curating, and commenting. Other things have been rigged too. Half the time it's a popularity contest not based on merit - plus people get stingy with their votes. There's already an arbitrary 40 sub limit for COVID-like precrime "reasons" like maybe someone might abuse their mod powers. (How about if someone is abusive then you deal with it, rather than preemptively limit them for anti-sub-hoarding appearances.) If SaidIt monetized then suddenly this whole place might take on a new darker character and whether it's subs or posts or comments or whatever that generates the cash, people will be after it. I already know of some loopholes though I haven't used them, nor had to. But I digress... generally speaking, financial revenues would be nice. It would be nicer if it were open, transparent, and trustworthy.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Oh, hell yea dude, there are a lot of issues, but they are microscopic in comparison to the censorship games I'm used to on other boards... I've seen it so much in the past. Moderation and arbitration on internet forums really is an authentic mirror for the corruption of human species in general.

It IS a popularity contest. But I'm more interested in the popularity of ideas and you can't have popularity without populace. It's one of those priority issues imo...It might be more of a priority to first attract the population and then think of democratic ways of governing over them.

Having a secretive admin is comparable to getting an auto-response from Silicon Valley and unless there's interactivity and community and purpose SaidIt is only a tool to be used until it is shut down, bought out, or we get banished.

Can only operate on good faith here. The owner has left us a very extensive git repository to carry on in case he falls ill to anything of the above mentioned. The owner might also be risking a lot, possibly his IRL job and income. the need for discretion might be critical.

I think I got your number tho. The main thing that's pissing you off is the lack of structure, being the librarian type that you are...As a chaotic personality like myself, I find that funny, that you're irritated so much lol.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No doubt. Censorship is a legit issue here too. I've had unclarified 2 strikes (or more) like an axe over my head for well over a year with no recourse or say in the arbitrary matter. I've decided not to give a shit about that and just be myself anyway and let the community defend me if it comes to that, unless I actually make a legit mistake or few. Others have had the axe dropped on them where it might have been much better had others stepped in to diffuse it. Or maybe it would have been worse drama. We'll never know and we never get the chance to find out if there is a better way unless we ask for and get change.

It seems like a chicken or egg thing to me. Policy and population. Is it easier to course correct after or lay down the path first? Or even more importantly - do we even get a say?

I agree about the anonymous discretion stuff. Though unless the NSA is bullshitting us about recording everything, they already know who he is and could likely have him squashed like a bug any time they want (with some martyr blow-back). Same for any of us. But that secrecy is only critical to administration of the site - not the policies on how it's utilized and moderated.

I certainly had hopes that SaidIt could be a better librarian-friendly organized site for researching content, but that ship has long since sailed (and that's why in the fall I'll also be doing more on and for WikiSpooks). I can tolerate the general chaos (growing with new members), yet still find there's hope for not only improved policies on our community's "justice system" but also terrific potential to help M7 co-manage ourselves to make his life easier to better handle the incoming chaos.

The dishes and laundry and chores are piling up with the weight of the world - so the parents get the kids to clean up after themselves and do some chores to make life easier and fair for everyone. Simple shit man. It's not reinventing the rocket surgery. We can do better.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But that secrecy is only critical to administration of the site - not the policies on how it's utilized and moderated.

Public moderation logs are really awesome. We had an issue recently with Magnora deleting loads of posts and some comments on IP2...After IP2 mods complained and demanded reasons for such actions, it turned out mag was getting notice emails from the hosting provider to "handle" this content. It's really interesting , https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/5a2y/magnora_is_currently_removing_old_posts_he/ this exchange. I've told you before, (((marxists))) are coming for all of us, but first it will be people like him who are free speech facilitators.

WikiSpooks is awesome, I read it all the time. God bless you as well for being a part of that.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for that info. I'll read it in a bit. I find it a freaking shame that M7 isn't more open about stuff like that. Then again, I haven't been keeping up on current events much lately anyway. I understand he has pressures but it would go down much easier for the rest of us if we actually were aware instead of him "sneaking around" and/or "protecting us" like that. I'm guessing ultimately it was justified or you would have said more.

FYI, it's not just the Commie-Marxists nor just the ZioCons (who just let it all happen unchallenged) - it's the entire totalitarian corporatocracy.

I aim to improve WikiSpooks by developing ways to present stuff to normies. For example: an easy glossary of deepstate and tradecraft (spycraft) terms that most people don't fully understand. Honeytrap and psyop may be pretty well known, but deepstate, pedogate, limited hangout, sheep dipping, crisis actor, Building 7, Gladio B, noble lie, Agenda 21, Hegelian dialectic, Machiavellianism, Hanlon's razor, ponerology, kakistocracy, B.I.S., monopoly on violence, dynamic silence, etc etc etc ad nauseum are largely foreign to most people.

I also want to bridge the WS and SI communities to be more crossover interactive and we're developing some ideas to pitch to everyone. Some stuff recently just came up (at least suddenly to me) and we'll soon be discussing it all completely openly soon, once we figure out how to start the conversation without looking like we're winging it (which we are). I had a lot of plans for WS in the fall but some might actually have to happen ASAP. Some of this stuff we've been loosely dreaming and spitballing for ages, but now it seems we need to do or die and actually make it happen. Some of it is ambitious. Some of it could be epic. Or maybe it will suck. If we don't try we won't know. Sorry to sound so mysterious, but much will all come out soon. You and everyone will be very welcome to join in and help in anyway you see fit.