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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Our mission goal is not to become voat. If this site becomes obsessed with the holocaust, then we become voat. I don't mind a few posts, but a whole sub is overkill, especially 2 subs

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Did you look through the forum and its rules? Nothing in that forum suggests voat retoric. Revisionism is a major subject and deserves a sub. We all wake up in our own little ways. I think if mods were to implement such rules for that sub, it would effectively erase fallacious material.

You say that you do not want to turn into voat. Well are the forums I linked anything like voat? Or is it just the topic your concerned about?

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Have you seen the front page of voat? Are you aware of what it is we're trying to avoid looking like?

Like I've said before, I don't mind a bit of discussion, but creating dueling subs about this is something that ruined voat and I don't want us to get ruined the same way. We just had someone create 10 accounts and upvote themselves and spammed about 10 articles related to only the holocaust. It's a subject that's been beaten to death and I'm fine discussing it, but there is no reason for it to become a singular focal point of saidit. If people want that kind of focus on that one issue, then go to voat.

If this site becomes exactly like voat, then why would anyone come here?

If every link on the front page says "holohoax" then who is that going to convince? It's just going to be preaching to the choir. It just doesn't make sense to let our site get ruined this way

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have and it looks nothing like the revisionist forum I linked. I see what you mean. Well, what other duel subs are their concerning revisionism? If anything, could you not hide a sub like holocaust revisionisn from /s/all?

We just had someone create 10 accounts and upvote themselves and spammed about 10 articles related to only the holocaust. It's a subject that's been beaten to death and I'm fine discussing it, but there is no reason for it to become a singular focal point of saidit. If people want that kind of focus on that one issue, then go to voat. If this site becomes exactly like voat, then why would anyone come here? If every link on the front page says "holohoax" then who is that going to convince? It's just going to be preaching to the choir. It just doesn't make sense to let our site get ruined this way

I agree with you 100%. Didn't know shills came on here to post holohoax fallacies.

In the forum I linked your not able to post holohoax or any fallacious material of any kind. Voat is a honeypot for ad hominems, fallacies and one liners.

The forum I linked is rather acedemic and quite civil, unlike voat. Somehow Voat hasn't hijacked that forum yet, which leads me to believe they are pretty ban heavy when it comes to trolls, shills, bait posts, and any comments that do not bring to the table well thought out arguments or reasonable questions.

There are examples throughout the linked forum illustrating how they treat newcomers and those who are avidly against revisionism. Again, all the discussions are very civil. And each side can bring up valid points.

Understand, that I too do not want saidit to turn into voat, but voat isn't really academic revisionism but rather a honeypot forum. Increased censorship is now upon us and we should expect even more draconian measures, revisionism is being censored everywhere. The point is, the racist stuff you see on voat is designed to be inflammatory and serves as an example of the Hegelian dialectic. Nowhere on the castle hill forums I linked do we see this.

I suppose it is inevitable knowing that "Holocaust" Revisionism is reaching more and more people everyday.

The honeypot operations and shills espousing racist one liners is indeed coordinated. It illustrates that there are no rational responses to Revisionist research and activism.

The aptly labelled Usual Enemies of Free Speech will do whatever they deem necessary to protect the lies which serve their profitable political interests. Truth and especially OPEN discussion is simply irrelevant to them. They'd rather infiltrate and play the controlled opposition.

Below is where free speech on the holocaust is illegal in Europe under any circumstances, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes. This is the ONLY genocide which has this seal of approval.

In all western countries, persecution, harassment, violent attacks & threats are the order of the day against those who engage in free speech about the impossible claims within it.

Those are obvious admissions that the story doesn't stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny but discussing it in an open and civil debate is not allowed.

http://theday.co.uk/images/stories/2016/2016-12/2016-12-15_holocaust.png

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If anything, could you not hide a sub like holocaust revisionisn from /s/all?

That's not a bad idea.

Didn't know shills came on here to post holohoax fallacies.

Yeah me neither until recently. It's a little adventure we're all going on together. Ideologues HATE neutral media sources like saidit. They want to turn us in to voat by flooding the front page with voat-like material, to delegitimize this website in the eyes of newcomers and more neutral users.

Somehow Voat hasn't hijacked that forum yet, which leads me to believe they are pretty ban heavy when it comes to trolls, shills, bait posts, and any comments that do not bring to the table well thought out arguments or reasonable questions.

Yes this is how most sites (like reddit) operate. Anything that looks bad at all is immediately removed, but saidit has more rigorous standards than the admin saying "I don't like this". It's a fine line to walk.

I don't mind discussion about this type of stuff, I just do NOT want it dominating saidit or else we are just a shitty voat and then our normal users will leave, and our voat-like users will just stay on voat, thus killing this site. That is undoubtedly the goal of these types of brigades.

Yes the fact it is illegal in so many countries is questionable tbh. There's lot of discussion to be had.

However it's sometimes difficult to distinguish someone trying to convey useful information, from someone just posting inflammatory links while pretending to share legitimate information. It's a common shill tactic and I expect we'll see more and more of it.

My #1 goal here is to keep saidit from becoming voat. That's the whole reason we made this website in the first place. And I hope we can figure out some way to address these information attacks, while avoiding becoming a censorship-haven like reddit is. We're trying to walk that line and it's not easy, and people are trying to knock of off of our perch at every opportunity. Some people really hate that this site exists, and hasn't picked a "side" and that we actually aspire to be neutral and information-based. We've been able to defend against them so far with vigilance. We are trying to figure out some way to defend against this that is a little more automated, but it's tricky.