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[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

! Note that this was because the vaccine _didn't use fœtal cells, but instead used contaminated monkey cells.

Why wasn't this 30,000,000 vaccines contaminated with a cancer causing monkey virus front page news? Especially, if nothing happens as a result? This line of reasoning is mind boggling.

If you believe the white wash report, then why did the world see an explosion of cancer after the 60's? 15 cases of cancer out of 30,000,000 cancerous virally infected doses of polio vaccine is beyond absurd. The main virologist timing the program had two seriously injured grandchildren, as a result of the first round of polio doses.
It is difficult to find words to describe the level of your abject denial if the facts.

At this point, I am far beyond unconcerned with your beliefs, or inability to recognize obvious facts, vs. propaganda. It seems suspicious to me how readily you defend industry failures, or dispute risky situations using implausible/impractical solutions.
However, we each have our own life experiences, so let's both assume that is the most probable explanation for our differences in opinions.

Ultimately, the vaccine industry's numerous cover ups, recalls, and $4,000,000,000 in lawsuit payments irrefutably demonstrates the fact that there is a serious problem, which warrants public discussion, and investigation.

You're expectations of "safe and effective" and tolerance level of acceptable risk is fundamentally different than mine.

It's not my responsibility to prove that vaccines are unsafe. The burden of safety is on the manufacturers to prove. The Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that they are inherently unsafe. So, that will be enough evidence for the majority of people, assuming that this info is made available to the public. It is unfortunately suppressed in the media.

We clearly have fundamentally differing views on this issue, so we should agree to disagree.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why wasn't this 30,000,000 vaccines contaminated with a cancer causing monkey virus front page news?

Beats me.

Especially, if nothing happens as a result?

I didn't say nothing. I said "not much".

If you believe the white wash report, then why did the world see an explosion of cancer after the 60's?

Can't find that data, and I don't know, but probably an epidemic of old age.

It is difficult to find words to describe the level of your abject denial if the facts.

I've got two: healthy scepticism. And I could say the same to you; I'm showing you stuff that contradicts your beliefs and you're not even rationalising it; you're just dismissing it completely. You're in a dialogue, not giving a TED talk.

At this point, I am far beyond unconcerned with your beliefs, or inability to recognize obvious facts, vs. propaganda.

No u.

It seems suspicious to me how readily you defend industry failures,

Yet I haven't gone as far as defending Bayer, have I? That failure had me panicking until I did the research and found the 35-year study on its aftereffects that revealed that somehow it barely killed anyone.

However, we each have our own life experiences, so let's both assume that is the most probable explanation for our differences in opinions.

I see what you're doing. Stop making this personal.

Ultimately, the vaccine industry's numerous cover ups, recalls, and $4,000,000,000 in lawsuit payments irrefutably demonstrates the fact that there is a serious problem, which warrants public discussion, and investigation.

The cover-ups of which you can't find sufficient evidence, apart from "that one podcast I listened to ages ago, and you're gonna have to trust me on that". I don't trust these shady US governmental organisations, but why should I trust you?

You're expectations of "safe and effective" and tolerance level of acceptable risk is fundamentally different than mine.

Probably. Mine is "better than the alternative".

It's not my responsibility to prove that vaccines are unsafe. The burden of safety is on the manufacturers to prove. The Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that they are inherently unsafe. So, that will be enough evidence for the majority of people, assuming that this info is made available to the public. It is unfortunately suppressed in the media.

True. True. Likely and sensible. False, and it will be. False.

We clearly have fundamentally differing views on this issue, so we should agree to disagree.

Maybe for now. But this isn't over! ☺