Any Gender Critical guys here who are also into videos games/anime/etc, geek stuff. And how are you managing in these communities?

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[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not, sorry. But I saw it in the arts for sure. I don't think there is any segment in a big city that isn't completely in lock step with it. It seems to be all over IT, liberal politics and coffee baristas for some reason. I was in a coffee shop about two years ago, not in a big city at all but a suburban highway maybe a good hour or hour and a half out from a city, and the bathrooms were labeled "who cares" or something similar.

The youtuber "The Quartering" apparently made his name exposing how groomers took advantage of Magic the Gathering events, to a very staggering extent. Some might say he fell into a niche audience catering to 'alt right' people who hate all that, but he apparently had a big audience in that world before he pissed them all off for telling the truth about it and he maybe is lucky or talented to cultivate a new audience. I think the predominance of trans in these "geek" fandoms and games and stuff is inseperable from a ton of groomers or wanna-be groomers, but I don't really know as I'm not into any of that.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're unfortunately right. It was bound to happen in the arts and geek culture because imagination and creativity are big in these spaces but at least back then people more or less could separate fiction from reality and it was only a minority who were believers of nonsense... And as someone who is an artist and also in to the gaming/animation side of things, it freaking sucks how so many of these people eat up this nonsense with no critical thought whatsoever...

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are 100% right. I never really thought about it that way, because I always saw how imagination is needed to be a scientist and in math or any time you try to build something in the real world.

The overlap between gaming/anime, as well as comics or sci-fi/fantasy literature and especially for some weird reason I never got (until just this moment, and I'm skeeved out by what the implications are) the sub-genre of YA sci-fi/fantacy lit, and the arts is not surprising. We rely on our imagination. Critical thought can be a great tool, perhaps more indirectly than directly as we're not engaged in scholasticism, but many artists (and I'd say less mature artists who might not strive to be child-like but childish) avoid even understanding it. When they avoid it in their art, such as a rejection of the ideas of "comedy math" or music theory [and to be fair we see problems just as clearly when people rely too much on those or when some interpret the idea of making their work appear "grounded" as meaning it must reflect the assumptions they or their audience (often that is a corporatized hierarchy and not an audience in the traditional sense) would not want tested at all].

It's especially sad to see the academic worlds of humanities and social sciences reject critical thinking, while using essentially a pseudo-rationalism or pseudo-critical thinking in promoting their bs agendas over good solid reasoning. If we take their paradigm at face value, we could reject everything they say and as I said elsewhere just call everything Marklar1 and go further and reject the grammar of their writings. TRAs do that all the time here, where we say something, they can't address it, so they move our words around and take off in flights of fancy to create strawmen where they can then say "so, you are arguing this". It's like they embrace the most disfunctional, diseased probably, interpretations of the idea that the world we perceive is made by our minds. It's like: perhaps, but the world is as it is regardless of perception can still put you in an auto accident or create ramifications of what your mind leads you to do with your genitals.

I think this is especially important for artists, maybe especially those in the performing arts because of the impact it has on culture. Perhaps there needs to be a set of local, quiet (as in not infiltratible) networks of artists that actually know each other in the real world, to collaborate and support each other.

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSymxjrzdXc

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Very well said and yeah, it would be nice to find other artists and geeks who don't buy into this nonsense TRA crap.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

reach out to those you know and who won't betray you and those who may have left the art over it. Preface it with something to make sure they won't betray you if you're not sure but hopefully you know artists (not even in your field as we share ideas about the creative process even before the overlap from things like aesthetics and philosophy of art) you can at least broach the subject with.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately my social circle is pretty dead since coming out. Everyone left and now I'm on the fence of trying to meet new people in the art scene because so many are bleeding heart TRAs... I'm sure there are some others who can see through the bullshit that is gender ideology but they're probably hiding themselves

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I sort of think that if you are a painter or graphic artist, or a writer, that the need for community is less than if your art involves performing. Even composers who do not intend to perform their music themselves benefit from musicians who can play their ideas and give feedback on them. Bouncing ideas off other artists is always important, and writers always benefit when they get together and read their drafts and their works and their ideas to each other even when it is not writing for the stage or screen where table reads or staged readings are part of the creative process.