Any Gender Critical guys here who are also into videos games/anime/etc, geek stuff. And how are you managing in these communities?

submitted by Kai_Decadence from self.GenderCriticalGuys

I've been gender critical since 2018 and I've gotta admit that navigating through geek communities, communities that I used to feel at home in is a minefield because so many people in geek fandoms are some of the biggest believers of the nonsensical trans ideology. I try my best to ignore it but it's just inescapable. Just recently I just learned that a gaming YouTuber I was a fan of just came out as a trans-identified woman ('Transman") ans before that, i've watched some other gaming topic videos and the creators would use phrases like "female person" to describe women or "Ciswoman" and I'm just. my blood was boiling through out because it's so freaking stupid. Just say "woman", like damn.

Anyway I just can't help but notice how hard it can be a person into geek culture in the modern day yet you don't swallow ridiculous trans dogma and how this can make you be ostracized from a community you used to fit into.

I'm just curious if there are any guys here who are into geek fandom and how being gender critical has affected things for you.

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[–]GST893 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

"End Trans Genocide" Reads the t-shirt on the man with tits who just kicked the shit out of a woman.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

D-Did this really happen???

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh yes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9985411/PIERS-MORGAN-time-stop-trans-sport-insanity-women-start-killed.html

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't read through the whole story because I was getting annoyed at the situation and the ass kissing they were doing for this man but I got the gist. That poor woman, she didn't have a chance against this ex-marine and I can't believe people aren't seeing just how fucked up the situation is. As for the trans-identified man, it's clear why he thinks he's a woman, he came from a super homophobic background and I can sympathize as a gay man myself who is also on the feminine presenting side but I still think it's wrong that he participated in a woman's sports competition.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

State sponsored violence or violence the state turns a blind eye towards is often rationalized by fear. The trans movement is making violence against women doubly rationalizable by adding this fear element to what was always unfortunately ignored and accepted.

[–]Flicksener 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Gender critical? You mean "normal"? There's no need to use fancy terms to describe normality. What you are is normal. The way you think and feel is normal. Let these freaks use crazy terminology to define their weirdness, but as far as you should be concerned, you're just normal.

And I've noticed it, but I just stick with hosts and platforms that aren't woke or moronic. I find there's still a lot out there, especially on Youtube. A lot of people are normal and don't subscribe to this stuff. Far more than those that do, I suspect. They just don't make a big deal out of it, because being normal isn't a big deal, or at least it wasn't.

Also, if the Youtuber you liked recently transitioned but is otherwise still providing you with good gaming related entertainment, I don't see why you shouldn't keep watching him. If he's transitioned and begun to make it a big deal and peppered his channel with nutso SJW woke extreme leftist garbage, then you should find someone else. Like all things, personality is the most important thing, and if the guy isn't an annoying douche about it and you aren't uncomfortable with it, who cares what gender he thinks he is?

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I find there's still a lot out there, especially on Youtube. A lot of people are normal and don't subscribe to this stuff. Far more than those that do, I suspect.

I guess I just haven't been lucky then on my end. When I came out in support of JK Rowling and then later came out admitting I don't buy into Trans ideology, all my friends left and they were all in the gaming/geek fandom. Granted I didn't have many friends to begin with but still, it definitely did kinda shock me because they didn't even try to ask why I felt the way I did. Then I got banned from a few groups when word got out that I was "transphobic" (aka didn't believe in trans ideology) and it was just a weird ride to say the least.

Also, if the Youtuber you liked recently transitioned but is otherwise still providing you with good gaming related entertainment, I don't see why you shouldn't keep watching him. If he's transitioned and begun to make it a big deal and peppered his channel with nutso SJW woke extreme leftist garbage, then you should find someone else. Like all things, personality is the most important thing, and if the guy isn't an annoying douche about it and you aren't uncomfortable with it, who cares what gender he thinks he is?

The Youtuber in question is actually a woman who thinks she's a man and I have a good feeling as to why she thinks this. I've watched her channel for years and she checks certain check boxes on why women start to believe they're men. But anyway, I think the thing that makes it hard for me to watch her is that she's trying to put on this fake "masc" voice and it sounds so unnatural and not "her" and she usually makes long-form content and I just couldn't sit through her trying this so put on voice.

[–]Flicksener 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hear you. I lost 90% of my friend group, some of whom I'd known for over a decade, about a year ago because I was really drunk and had had enough of their self righteous, hypocritical preaching, which had been on the uptick since the BLM riots of summer 2020. And I'd just had it with them, and the alcohol in my system destroyed the barriers I'd been putting up to keep the peace. I told them systemic racism hasn't been a thing in this country since the 70s, being an SJW is not "inspirational", and to stop being such whiny, annoying, self-masturbatory douchebags. But I said it in a mostly well meaning, diplomatic way.

Suffice it to say, it didn't go over well, and instead of a rational conversation over an extended period of time like you'd expect between adults who have known each other for many years and have had a disagreement, they labeled me persona non grata (racist! transphobic! Republican!) and cut off (mostly) all contact. These are people who had said and done much worse (not that anything I said was bad in the slightest, or inaccurate) and who I'd defended to one degree or another over the years for all manner of things, including one guy who used to get drunk and grope women at parties and who I chose to stay friends with and defend when he was publicly outed about it by several women. Naturally, when the shoe was on the other foot (to a far, far lesser degree), no discussion, no reaching out, no sympathy, no attempt to meet in the middle, nothing. Just cold, dead silence. And I didn't even get the chance to grope anybody. Lame.

It sucked, and I'm still suffering from it today to some extent, but I learned my lesson. Friendships are fairly untrustworthy and unreliable, even long term ones, and going forward, I will pick and choose the people I surround myself with very carefully, if I bother befriending people at all, which I'm still on the fence about. To hell with people.

Anyway, as far as Youtube gamers who aren't woke douchebags, these are two channels I really like:

https://www.youtube.com/user/gameranxTV

https://www.youtube.com/c/WorthABuyreviews/featured

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think often "gender critical" is used when normal should suffice, but there is a difference. Gender critical involves a more detailed look at "gender roles" or sex-based roles, and rejects them far more thoroughly than "normal" does. I think there is probably a fair range of views that legitimately fall under the gender critical umbrella, just as normal has a range associated with it (a range that has been observed to vary depending on stresses on the society typifying any specific norm)

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Into gaming in general but I've been so busy that I can't keep up with gaming communities lately.

I've had a bunch of people ghost me over this stuff. Since i spend little time online now it's much easier for people to drift away and ghost if they feel social pressure that I presented some wrongthink.

Many of them are just terminally online and spend lots of time pushing neutrals into their camp when they log on to play.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry that happened to you and yeah, I experienced a similar thing. I recently came out as a person who doesn't believe in transgenderism publicly and all my friends ditched me, 2 of which silently ghosted me so I get the possible feeling.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not, sorry. But I saw it in the arts for sure. I don't think there is any segment in a big city that isn't completely in lock step with it. It seems to be all over IT, liberal politics and coffee baristas for some reason. I was in a coffee shop about two years ago, not in a big city at all but a suburban highway maybe a good hour or hour and a half out from a city, and the bathrooms were labeled "who cares" or something similar.

The youtuber "The Quartering" apparently made his name exposing how groomers took advantage of Magic the Gathering events, to a very staggering extent. Some might say he fell into a niche audience catering to 'alt right' people who hate all that, but he apparently had a big audience in that world before he pissed them all off for telling the truth about it and he maybe is lucky or talented to cultivate a new audience. I think the predominance of trans in these "geek" fandoms and games and stuff is inseperable from a ton of groomers or wanna-be groomers, but I don't really know as I'm not into any of that.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You're unfortunately right. It was bound to happen in the arts and geek culture because imagination and creativity are big in these spaces but at least back then people more or less could separate fiction from reality and it was only a minority who were believers of nonsense... And as someone who is an artist and also in to the gaming/animation side of things, it freaking sucks how so many of these people eat up this nonsense with no critical thought whatsoever...

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are 100% right. I never really thought about it that way, because I always saw how imagination is needed to be a scientist and in math or any time you try to build something in the real world.

The overlap between gaming/anime, as well as comics or sci-fi/fantasy literature and especially for some weird reason I never got (until just this moment, and I'm skeeved out by what the implications are) the sub-genre of YA sci-fi/fantacy lit, and the arts is not surprising. We rely on our imagination. Critical thought can be a great tool, perhaps more indirectly than directly as we're not engaged in scholasticism, but many artists (and I'd say less mature artists who might not strive to be child-like but childish) avoid even understanding it. When they avoid it in their art, such as a rejection of the ideas of "comedy math" or music theory [and to be fair we see problems just as clearly when people rely too much on those or when some interpret the idea of making their work appear "grounded" as meaning it must reflect the assumptions they or their audience (often that is a corporatized hierarchy and not an audience in the traditional sense) would not want tested at all].

It's especially sad to see the academic worlds of humanities and social sciences reject critical thinking, while using essentially a pseudo-rationalism or pseudo-critical thinking in promoting their bs agendas over good solid reasoning. If we take their paradigm at face value, we could reject everything they say and as I said elsewhere just call everything Marklar1 and go further and reject the grammar of their writings. TRAs do that all the time here, where we say something, they can't address it, so they move our words around and take off in flights of fancy to create strawmen where they can then say "so, you are arguing this". It's like they embrace the most disfunctional, diseased probably, interpretations of the idea that the world we perceive is made by our minds. It's like: perhaps, but the world is as it is regardless of perception can still put you in an auto accident or create ramifications of what your mind leads you to do with your genitals.

I think this is especially important for artists, maybe especially those in the performing arts because of the impact it has on culture. Perhaps there needs to be a set of local, quiet (as in not infiltratible) networks of artists that actually know each other in the real world, to collaborate and support each other.

1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSymxjrzdXc

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Very well said and yeah, it would be nice to find other artists and geeks who don't buy into this nonsense TRA crap.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

reach out to those you know and who won't betray you and those who may have left the art over it. Preface it with something to make sure they won't betray you if you're not sure but hopefully you know artists (not even in your field as we share ideas about the creative process even before the overlap from things like aesthetics and philosophy of art) you can at least broach the subject with.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately my social circle is pretty dead since coming out. Everyone left and now I'm on the fence of trying to meet new people in the art scene because so many are bleeding heart TRAs... I'm sure there are some others who can see through the bullshit that is gender ideology but they're probably hiding themselves

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I sort of think that if you are a painter or graphic artist, or a writer, that the need for community is less than if your art involves performing. Even composers who do not intend to perform their music themselves benefit from musicians who can play their ideas and give feedback on them. Bouncing ideas off other artists is always important, and writers always benefit when they get together and read their drafts and their works and their ideas to each other even when it is not writing for the stage or screen where table reads or staged readings are part of the creative process.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'm just curious if there are any guys here who are into geek fandom and how being gender critical has affected things for you.

You mean incels?

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No Americans

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Can't blame ya there.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What?

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Are there legit gc incels?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have no idea, never heard of one but I guess there's a first time for everything.

[–]Michael_frf 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There probably are lots of people are male and involuntarily celibate but friendly to feminism. That just means they are pining for something they fear they will never get, but agree they aren't entitled to steal it or demand the state redistribute it.

But those wouldn't be "incels", which is not merely a contraction but also implies subscribing to "the Incel movement"'s politics. Those obviously conflict with feminism.

There's a similar divergence in meaning between "voluntary celibate" and "volcel". The latter is an insult used between incels. It implies that the target is only having romantic troubles due to his own laziness or other fault, and doesn't deserve the empathy of "true" incels who (supposedly) are already doing the best they can at their end.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did not know there was a real "incel community" that could toss around terms like "Volcel" and micro-examine their mutual miseries. I hope someone recommends the writings of Saint Maximus the Confessor to them, so they can see their obsessing over unfulfilled desires as a distraction from what ever they could be doing and focusing on in any given moment.