A step in the right direction, where actual women get the protection they need, and trans people get what they need. India points to the way forward!

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[–]FlippyKing[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where did I say I have a problem with that specifically?

Why the need for "specifically"? So you can weasel out of what you've already said and make it tough to pin down what you're saying (typical "trans" bad-faith arguing and bad reasoning)

But here is where you say it specifically, in a sentence soon after your bad question.

transsexual women will lose their right to stay in women's shelters, even those who previously were allowed to with no problems, all because of guys who want to play dress-up.

So, rather than be happy that transgender people get their own shelters, you worry that you will be tossed in with them. You make the same demand they make, access to women's spaces. You could make your own shelter, for transsexuals. But no, because you make the same demand the AGPs/transgenders/transtrenders/perpetually-masturbating-porn-addicts-in-dresses make: access to women's spaces and to colonize womanhood.

Also, it is amazingly dismissive of you to say they only want to play dress up but what you want to do is not exactly the same thing, especially if you are not using sex-removing and opposite sex facsimile creating surgeries as THE defining characteristic for transsexuals. You're basically saying 'we had a good thing going until Judith Butler came a long'

Also, your use of the "cis" thing is bullshit. There is no such thing. For all but like 0.04% of the population there are only men and women, and no one measures up to any standard besides the most minimal one of what genitals one has.

[–]Spotted_Lady 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have no dog in the trans thing and never said I was TG or TS. I make no demands other than to NOT be included in their community.

I used cis correctly. MtF Transsexuals are a subset of cisgender women, and "MtF" transgender is simply a type of men. TS women don't want to be housed with TGs anymore than other women, and should not be forced to do so. A TS's rights come from the vagina and XX chromosomes they were supposed to be born with. MtF TGs were supposed to have their penises and live as the MEN that they are.

It is not dismissive to refer to the MtF transgender men in dresses as what they are, men in dresses and those living fetishes. MtF TSs ARE women, "MtF" transgenders are men. Transsexuals would have more rights overnight if every non-op transgender were rounded up and imprisoned.

And no, I never used actually getting the surgery as a basis, but an inherently feminine nature and the DESIRE to get the surgery based on how the brain is wired before birth. Whether they actually get surgery or not (aging and poverty are factors). I can walk into any room and tell TSs from TGs without any effort. Folks should only be allowed to transition if there is a true need there, and not simply a dress-up game, fetish, or ANY sexual motivation. A paraphilic need is not a gender identity. Desiring to dress up to appropriate women and lord over them is not a gender identity. There are only 2 valid gender identities.

Anyway, please enjoy your day. I believe we have talked this to the end.