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[–]3MistersAndAMissy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can’t say if men would harass a TW in the restroom since I’m a woman, but you can actually give insight.

The focus is all about acting like it is a given that a transwoman would be in danger in the men’s restroom, but why are we letting them make that an undeniable given?

You are questioning the basic premise. Many of us let the TRAs get away with setting that in place as fact.

They keep saying they just want to pee and it never happens that it’s unsafe to let men self ID into the ladies room. They ask for proof it’s not safe for women.

Make them give proof it’s unsafe for TW to use the bathroom of their sex.

[–]FlippyKing[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for commenting! While reading your comment, I was just thinking about what such harassment would look like and somehow I started considering the Borat movie (not the new thing but the old movie). He had to push people pretty far, and shoot a lot of film/video to get people to react and I don't think people reacted violently. I think the same can be said for Bruno which might be a better example. Maybe neither are great comparisons because they are being provocateurs and supposedly the trans people wanting to pee are not.

I have to fall back on the simple fact that no one is paying that much attention to each other in men's rooms and I don't see this as a real problem as they claim. What would the problem be? Would it be like the woman in a men's room I described above where after a few empty words nothing came of it? IN that case the guy was trying to enforce sex-segregated space, and he desisted perhaps upon realizing how anti-chivalrous he was being-- not the best term maybe but just what was he going to do to get her out of the room? nothing, hopefully, or maybe he just accepted the line being too long. So when a trans identified male walks into a men's room he either is perceived as a man in a dress so then he is where he belongs or he is perceived as a woman where the rule of not hitting women should rule the day. The more I think about it, and I think I'm done thinking about it, the less I see it as a reasonable assumption to make. I have to conclude that violence against trans identified males in bathrooms is not a real-world problem. Maybe in high school, but I doubt it. I think it is just an attempt to gain sympathy.