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[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I dunno if true crime documentaries, and crime statistics generally, will "peak trans" people. But they certainly do illustrate the ridiculousness of the totally bullshit claims constantly made by histrionic TRAs that males who "identify as" the opposite sex are 1) "the most vulnerable" and "most victimized" and most sexually fetishized and sexually-preyed upon people in society; and 2) TIMs suffer much higher rates of sexual harassment, predation, rape and other forms of sex abuse, murder, serial killings, assault and battery, sex trafficking, stalking, menacing, voyeurism, groping, spy camming, etc at the hands of other males than girls and women do.

When I hear the line that TIMs are the most vulnerable and are much more likely to be raped, murdered and sexually abused by men and boys than girls and women are, I always ask: then how come the stories of TIM crime victims don't dominate on any of the myriad true crime shows? Or on the nightly news?

The true crime genre has been around for a long, long time, as has the "if it bleeds, it leads" ethos in local television news. Male cross-dressers and transvestites have been around for a long time too. There are thousands of episodes of true crime series available for anyone to see going back decades. Yet hardly any of these episodes feature male "trans" persons as victims. Which is odd given that there's supposedly an "epidemic" of "transphobic violence" and TIMs are supposedly being assaulted and murdered in the streets on the daily just for being their "authentic selves." A grand conspiracy to cover up all this crime must be going on, right? /s

TIMs like most men have no idea what it's like to go through life as a female person.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I hear the line that TIMs are the most vulnerable and are much more likely to be raped, murdered and sexually abused by men and boys than girls and women are, I always ask: then how come the stories of TIM crime victims don't dominate on any of the myriad true crime shows? Or on the nightly news?

This is such a good way to frame it because TRAs love moaning about how much more victimized they are compared to women when it comes to the true crime umbrella and the blunt truth is that the statistics just don't support that. I remember reaiding for the year of 2018, only 32 TIMs were murdered compared 956 women in the same year, it's such a ridiculous talking point.

Agree with all you said.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember reaiding for the year of 2018, only 32 TIMs were murdered compared 956 women in the same year, it's such a ridiculous talking point.

What country is it where 32 TIMs and 956 women were murdered in 2018?

The FBI says that in the USA 3,180 female persons died of homicide in 2018. Trans activist organizations such as the Human Rights Campaign say 28 TIMs died of homicide in the USA that year. Which is a ratio of more than 100 to 1. Usually 8-9 women are murdered in the US every day. So more women die of homicide in any 3.5 day period than TIMs do in an entire year.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1.xls

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/health/transgender-deaths-2018

But given the huge disparity between the number of women and the number of TIMs in the population, to make a more accurate comparison, you have to look at the rates of homicide per 100K persons in the population. When this is done, TIMs (including the "black transwomen" and "transwomen of color" who are supposedly being murdered every minute in the US) turn out to have the lowest homicide rate of any demographic group. They are the least likely group to end up as murder victims.

But there sure are a lot of TIMs in the US who've been convicted of murder, including serial murders of women and girls, or who are awaiting trial on murder charges. Look into Dana Rivers - a TIM who murdered two lesbians and their son in Oakland, CA - and serial killer of women, Harvey Marcelin/Marcelin Harvey, who after spending decades in NY state prison for murdering two women was released in 2019 at age 81, and two years later brutally murdered and dismembered a woman he met when he was placed in a shelter for women. Marcelin put the parts of the woman's body in plastic trash bags and scattered them around the city, but he kept her head in his apartment.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/trans-serial-killer-harvey-marcelins-first-prison-interview/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/30/nyregion/how-did-a-two-time-killer-get-out-to-be-charged-again-at-age-83.html

The person before the parole panel in June 2019 was tall and slim, in far better shape than 81 years of life might have suggested. Mild and polite, the supplicant seemed nothing like the murderer who had spent decades in prison, first for shooting a girlfriend dead in 1963, and then for stabbing another in 1985, stuffing her corpse into a bag and leaving it in Central Park

Decades worth of police documents and court records detail the life of Ms. Harvey, a transgender woman who transitioned at some point after her release from prison [in 2019]. Central to her tale are more than three decades of parole board minutes obtained through the state’s Freedom of Information Law. In them, she insists that authorities exaggerated evidence, changes stories about crimes she admitted and veers between contrition and blaming those she killed.

The records include several examples of her harassing or attacking women throughout her life. She was accused of attempted rape at 14; the victim was an 8-year-old girl. Ms. Harvey, who by her own account struggled with her mental health, said she had to choke down rage when women challenged her manliness before she transitioned — making fun of her soft voice, for example.

A homeless shelter worker and people close to Ms. Leyden questioned whether, despite her gender identity, Ms. Harvey should have been placed in a homeless shelter for women, given her history of attacking and murdering them. Speaking from Rikers to The New York Post, Ms. Harvey referred to herself as having two personas: one, a violent male named Harvey Marcelin — the name she used for most of her life and is included in court records — and the other, a soft-spoken woman named Marceline Harvey.

Immediately after her 2019 release, she sought housing in the Bronx [at a shelter for women].

Ms. Harvey “presented as a mild spoken, very tall Black man,” said Anne Brennan, the nurse practitioner who ran the intake. “I said, ‘Well, why are you in the women’s shelter?’”

Ms. Brennan said she told Ms. Harvey that placing her in a women’s shelter seemed like a bad idea, given her history of killing women. Despite her objections, Ms. Brennan said her supervisors allowed Ms. Harvey entry.

“Apparently his feelings and identity were far more important than all the other women that were terrified of him,” she said.

Of course even as the NY Times recounts the story of this awful man's gruesome crimes, the "paper of record" assures readers:

But transgender people are far more likely to become victims of violence, not perpetrators, and data from the National Center for Transgender Equality suggests more than half of transgender people who stay in shelters encounter harassment.

[–]one1won 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm probably preaching to the choir

Woman here, so, yeah. (wink) But, I’m glad you noticed and are speaking of it. Please, keep speaking of this.

It has always struck me as inhumane to shrug off/accept out-of-hand these targeted attacks on my sex. Sometimes it feels as if a single neglected dog story riles people more than daily news reports of targeted women.

I'm curious though if it's possible for some to peak trans through these documentaries.

Possible, anything’s possible. Likely? Umm…

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah it's just these stories man, so gruesome and horrific and these poor women never stood a chance at the hands of these misogynistic men. the cases that take place in India are especially disgusting with how the victims are viewed there to where they get blamed fro their own assaults and/or death, like WTH.... But yeah this is definitely gonna be one of my reasons for when I explain why I think transgenderism is nonsense.

Sometimes it feels as if a single neglected dog story riles people more than daily news reports of targeted women.

I've thought this as well, it's very disturbing how some wiill sympathize more for a dog a cat being tortured vs a woman who was targeted merely on the basis of her sex. I mean I don't like animal abuse and the torturing of animals but compared to a fellow human, I think the latter is far more horrific.

[–]one1won 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, we’re seeing the wording for sexed animals remain unchanged (hen, doe, mare, queen, etc), while “women & girls” are being wrenched away. Like we aren’t worth mentioning. Less than poultry, we are, it seems.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Funny how women and girls are getting othered and erased but the same is not being done to other female mammals. Or heck, we're not seeing dogs being identified as cats or vice versa. It's just ridiculous.