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[–]peakingatthemoment 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I feel like grooming is definitely happens, but I'm less convinced about pornography being a huge factor in trans identity. I understand why radical feminists in particular want to focus on that, but I just haven't heard many detransitioners say that. Anime seems like it is connected though just because of how many trans identified people now are so into it. Yaoi too.

[–]SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think the way men masturbate can create a penis-fetish in them, since they are associating the sight & touch of an ejaculating erection with the feeling of orgasm. I think there are number of porn categories that are outgrowths of penis-fetish, like "big dick" & "BBC" & "compilation" (which just compiles male ejaculations). Back in the day, a lot of guys would admit to "skipping to the end" of the porn video, which in most cases is just the guy masturbating himself to completion i.e. 100% gay porn.

I think penis-fetish can lead to vagina-envy, which manifests itself in men anally penetrating themselves or seeking out being penetrated by others. This could potentially lead to AGP.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

According to u/jet199 this is a very good analysis

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think pornography is a massive factor in AGPs and the extroverted of those clearly have a need to force everyone around them to affirm their charade. For kids who want to be cool, and that is presented as normal and forward thinking, vs old fashioned and outdated, or worse when the "cool parents" are affirming it vs the squares that aren't (where gender and trans are parallel to the parents who let kids drink in the house because they would do it other wise outside) I can easily see porn influencing kids even if they aren't view it.

Also, porn use by straight boys puts them into a mindset to ... well rape the girls in their peer group for lack of a want for a better word. This is part of the hypersexualized world where people do feel free to talk about their kink and porn use and just pushed the envelop way beyond anything that existed in the past. The adolescent girl is then given a choice to escape this pornified world where they are the object by transing. So, porn impacts that even if the kid isn't watching it.

You agree the anime influence but so much of that is low-key porn even when it isn't. They make it a point to imitate camera angles and panning that accentuate the "secondary sex characteristics" that are emerging as puberty begins. It's a genre that objectifies cartoon girls even when the anime is not really about that. How many sad sad dudes publically and vocally shat on the Netflex Cowboy Bebob because the actress wore too much clothing for their tastes? They complained about it because th genre is a porn-lite genre at it's best, and I don't need to talk about it's worst.

The thing about hearing from detransitioners or any one at any given time. Their reasons for doing things in the moment of doing them should never be assumed to be rational, and so what ever reasons they state for doing what ever they do should be taken with a grain of salt. But to take reasons for having done something, transitioning or even eating a cookie, given after the fact, hours or years, is pretty useless. We always rewrite our past to make sense of the present. It's basically human nature and part of our pattern-making adaptation as a species.

Another possible hidden influence of porn in kids being roped into the trans cult is the teachers and the adults who are doing the pushing. I have no observation to offer on this, but my general idea is that you can't just look at the direct influence on some kid and how that leads them to or away from the cult but you have to see it as a potential influence, in some cases great, on the people around the kid and their environment.