Stop saying, ‘Where are the feminists?’

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    [–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    The funniest fact about intersectionality is that the initial thought experiment doesn't even work in the real world.

    In the USA there is no race gap in earnings between black women and white women. There is a race gap between black men and white men, however. So the idea you can add up the various points of oppression you might have to come up with a total of your oppression just doesn't work at all.

    [–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    The GC mods allowed racism and even banned us (woc). The r/blackladies mods reported a lot of racism on the GC sub and spoke directly to the co-founders of Reddit (Alexis and Steve). That's why r/gc_woc was created (and eventually banned during the second-wave of bans in 2020 since it was "transphobic" and the r/blackladies mods are libfems). The GC mods were not supportive of "intersectionality". I think they allowed white women to call out "Karens" before the sub was banned. A lot of anti-racism white women on Instagram and TikTok were calling out racist white women, too. It was marvelous to see that it was not just woc calling out Karens throughout 2020-2021.

    Globally, racism is much worse than sexism. White women benefit from racism much more than men of color benefit from sexism. I say this as a black lesbian who hates men and dates white women (who are fully aware of their white privilege and suffer from white guilt 😄).

    Ida B. Wells called out white women over a century ago... sad that we still must call out white women over the same shit.

    [–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Globally sexism is much worse than racism.

    Prove me wrong.

    Please explain to me how white women are benefiting from racism in China.

    You Americans live in such a tiny bubble of absolute privilege. It's crazy you now have to larp at being oppressed in an age where most people are more scared about being called racist than of racism itself.

    [–]WildApples 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    It is not a competition. They are both bad. Surely it has not escaped your notice that white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run while black people around the world as a whole still suffer the legacy of colonialism instituted by white imperialists. The fact that some black people are well off and that white people are now abusing the concept of racial justice for their own political self-interests does not mean that racism is no longer a problem. The most frustrating thing about these white "social justice" activists is that they have completely undermined racial justice and the ability of black people to express our interests.

    While I hate that intersectionality has been used to collapse all civil rights issues and make straight white men the most prioritized class, these posts illustrate why intersectionality was ever needed in the first place. It is not fun having to fight two fronts at the same time and defend your interests against your "allies."

    [–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run while black people around the world as a whole still suffer the legacy of colonialism instituted by white imperialists.

    I don't think the situation in the world today is quite as black and white as you paint it - figuratively or in fact. Your view might once have been accurate, but I don't think it's entirely on the mark anymore. Chinese people control a lot of the world's resources nowadays, and many believe that what China is doing in Africa and elsewhere in the developing world is a new form of colonialism just as imperialistic, avaricious and destructive - and racist - as the European colonialism of past eras.

    https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-dark-legacy-of-chinas-drive-for-global-resources

    https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/china-overtakes-us-as-richest-country-global-wealth-mckinsey-report-1877299-2021-11-16

    https://www.dw.com/en/is-china-africas-new-colonial-power/av-56439246

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/protect-the-party-chinas-growing-influence-in-the-developing-world/

    https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2010/09/27/chinas-control-over-world-resources/

    white people control almost all the world's resources and dictate how the world should be run

    Also, it seems to me that nowadays the major Silicon Valley tech firms play an outsized role in dictating how the world should be run - and these firms have a disproportionate number of brown-skinned men of Indian heritage in all important positions, including at the helm. Just as decidedly not white men from the relatively small islands nation of Japan have played a disproportionately large role in global business, tech and finance since at least the 1980s.

    Parag Agrawal, who was appointed this week as Twitter's CEO, has joined at least a dozen other Indian-born techies in the corner offices of the world's most influential Silicon Valley companies.

    Microsoft's Satya Nadella, Alphabet's Sundar Pichai, and the top bosses of IBM, Adobe, Palo Alto Networks, VMWare and Vimeo are all of Indian descent.

    Indian-origin people account for just about 1% of the US population and 6% of Silicon Valley's workforce - and yet are disproportionately represented in the top brass.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59457015

    https://fortune.com/2021/12/03/twitter-ceo-tech-industry-microsoft-google-silicon-valley-indian-born-leaders/

    Brown-skinned persons born in India, or of Indian heritage, play disproportionately large and dominant roles running many other kinds of corporations around the world too.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/indian-origin-ceos-leading-top-companies-across-the-world-1893342-2021-12-28

    I'm not saying that the success and power of people of Indian heritage in running the world today is a bad thing. I say good for them! I'm just pointing out that the way you have portrayed the world situation today is inaccurate. Depicting the disparities of power, wealth and control of resources that exist globally in the 21st century as basically just a matter of white people lording it over and hogging resources from black people leaves out much of what it actually going on. It also ignores the fact that more than half of the people on earth today are Asian. People of Han Chinese ethnicity alone make up one-fifth of the world's population.