If men aren't allowed to have male only spaces, why should we allow women to have their own spaces?

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[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I just want to clarify that I don't think women have tried to invade spaces that were male only while ignoring the business type avenues but that was not the same thing and I know it was necessary because of the unfair power dynamics that were in place decades ago. I was just sharing a comment of what some guy said about the Women's festival being shut down and I was having trouble trying to think of male only spaces where woman have done what he was saying and the only male only space I was picturing in my head aside from the men's restroom was male sports leagues. I was just drawing a blank at some other examples but ultimately I had a feeling the guy was talking out his bum and your detailed answered just showed that the guy was talking nonsense.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah? Nah. Do we really need updates on all the stupid comments made by people on other parts of the internet, which is not reflective of the real world even in the best of circumstances, especially obscure ones like where you got this nonsense? I don't think we do. There is nothing of value to be found where you are looking.

Did you really need MarkTwainiac to show you "that the guy was talking nonsense'? When people knock "liberalism", they are often knocking something they do not really understand, and are knocking just some specific things they do not like. But one aspect of "liberalism, one admitted to by Biden recently, is that it is the dominate order in the world and has been for (at least) 80 years. Thus, what ever mind-set it has, can be found: every where modernity can be found, in every university, on every TV or radio, and it is ubiquitous on the internet even where it is supposedly hated and railed against. One aspect of that mind-set that we all easily succumb to is the inability to discern right from wrong or truth from lies because we too easily see nearly everything, and more importantly increasingly everything, as within someone's "rights" (a better word might be "licence"). By granting licence to people to do what ever they want, in their privacy or when they simply can afford it or when it's what they do for a living or because they think it feels good or what ever, we then put it in our own minds on some kind of equal footing with genuinely good or right things. We end up having to push down what we really or rightly think to accommodate BS even when the BS artists pushing their BS are kinda obviously lying or being disingenuous. Let's stop doing that. Or, put bluntly: who gives a fuck what some jack ass typed? Michfest's demise is a loss, the bad guys won. It's really that simple.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah? Nah. Do we really need updates on all the stupid comments made by people on other parts of the internet, which is not reflective of the real world even in the best of circumstances, especially obscure ones like where you got this nonsense? I don't think we do. There is nothing of value to be found where you are looking.

I do agree but I really was curious about this one because it's not the first time I've seen these kinda men make these stupid claims (I've heard this IRL as well at my job back when the Maya Forstater case was happening and JK Rowling came out in support. One of my woman coworkers even said she didn't see why Rowling was saying what she was saying...) and whenever I would watch videos about feminist issues from the radical feminist angle because the MRAs who call themselves feminists ("libfems") stuff is useless when it comes to certain topics and you'd see some comments like that and I never saw responses from radfems so I was curious to hear what radfems think whenever they hear this kinda crap.

But lesson learned, I'll try not to keep asking these kinda questions. It seems that when men say that kinda stuff ("feminists wanted this", "this is true equality" (when Feminism was never about equality...), etc) is just them showing their misogyny.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In my (male) opinion, it’s GOOD to ask these types of questions here, not for the purpose of trying to discredit any efforts by the women’s liberation movement, but rather for the simple fact that it keeps everyone on Team GC sharp and practiced on these types of talking points, so that we’re all on our A game when addressing the same logic and rhetoric out in the public square.