The Transgender Debate is Over.

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[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not being disingenuous, I'm in touch with the average person, like Chappelle is. Most people don't know the Maya Forstater backstory behind that tweet. Why do you think Chappelle made the conscious or unconscious decision to translate JKR's words from "sex is real" to "gender is real"?

Only feminists & TRAs say "sex & gender are not the same". But their actions always contradict it. If within feminism sex-roles & gender-roles are synonyms then sex & gender are synonyms within feminism. The original sentiment behind "sex & gender are different" was that gender refers to masculinity & femininity. You won't find anyone, not even feminists, who understands gender to only refer to masculinity & femininity today. So can we stop insisting that sex & gender are different, since those are empty words with no meaning behind them?

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Truth, many people, especially outside the UK, don't know about Maya Forstater backstory. However, by the moment Chappelle special was out, plenty of people around the world knew about Rowling alleged "transphobia" (even if they assume she has said worse for not bothering to read her tweets or her essay). And Chappele talked about men pretending to be "women". What else could the word sex mean under that context? Again lots of words have multiple meanings. This pretence that the word sex is so complicated that one can't tell whether the interlocutor is talking about the sexual act or the biological category sounds artificial.

So can we stop insisting that sex & gender are different, since those are empty words with no meaning behind them?

No, I won't. You're not my boss and you already know my position on this. I'm not going to repeat myself.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Again, why do you think Chappelle changed "sex is real" to "gender is real"? Does it demonstrate that outside the feminist vs. TRA bubble "gender" = "sex", or is there some other reason?

Sex may have two meanings, but so does gender. Why pretend that no one could possibly be confused by a word having two meanings, when "gender's" two meanings confuses you? You've made a point not to use the word "gender" as a result, meanwhile Chappelle is avoiding using the word "sex", bc he is talking to regular people. He wants to be taken seriously. If he had said "sex is real" to regular people they'd either laugh or be confused. Maybe you don't expect anything you say ever to reach regular people.

Either way, boycotting the word "gender" seems pretty pointless – counter-productive even. Conversely, Chappelle demonstrated that using "gender" instead of "sex" actually makes sense, if you want to comprehensively convey a GC message to regular people.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not confused by the word "gender". I avoid it because I don't want to contribute to all the ofuscating language used by transactivists.

I don't know why Chappelle said what he said. I don't follow comedians and I only heard of him because of his new "controversial" show. Also, I don't know why you think he wants to convey GC ideas just for pointing the obvious, i.e. men are not women. The world is not neatly divided into TRA and GC people.

Anyways, why would a comedian worry about people laughing at what he says? Honestly, I don't know about his political leanings, but he sounds like a lot of conservatives. They protest against political correctness just before doing one of the most PC things imaginable: saying "gender" instead of sex. The only most PC thing that conservatives do is calling a man pretending to be women "she", something that Chappelle is also guilty of.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Gender/sex is real" is not a punchline. It's the kind of thing an audience is meant to applaud, not laugh at. Are you telling me you didn't know that?

How is it PC to say "gender" when referring to the sexes? Is it PC to say "gender reveal party" too? You're failing to recognise that regular people say "gender" to mean the same thing that you mean when you say "sex".

Anyway, since you don't know why Chappelle said "gender" when he was obviously talking about biology, then you'll just have to trust me when I say that "gender" is what regular people use as an umbrella term for the sexes.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you for real, dude? Did you forget our long discussion in which you stated that feminist are shooting themselves in the foot by using the word because it's not child-friendly, that English speakers don't learn the word sex may not refer to sexual act until adulthood? After all what you say, now you are telling me that using the word "gender" as an euphemism for sex is not political correctness? Seriously? If this is not about PC then there shouldn't be so much reluctance to say the word sex.