The Transgender Debate is Over.

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[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

In all seriousness now, what does it matter how men pretending to be women view themselves? I mean, I agree that such men don't believe their own lies deep down and that they usually exhibit typical male behaviours, but so what? At the end of the day, it's irrelevant how "masculine" or how "feminine they are and whether they are delusional or just lying to themselves (along with everyone else). What it matters is their sex: they are males because they bodies are built to produce sperm, and they will still be males regardless of how much hormones they take and how many surgeries they undergone. Sex is not a matter of nurture. There is no need to make up a social definition of what a woman is. Arguing that there is such a thing as a "social woman" is what we got in this mess to begin with.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

My point is that even if you're only looking at gender identity, trans=identified males still aren't women. Basically, even their own "logic" dismantles transgender identity.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're the only not on the TRA side who cares this much about "gender identity". Saying that men pretending to be "women" are really men because of their usually stereotypical male behaviour is a self-defeating position. Women are women because of our bodies, not because a bunch of sexist stereotypes. Why anyone who is against the roles and expectations that are imposed on women and men would define the words woman and man in such terms?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My post is in the public domain now. You can cannibalise any bits that you may find helpful & discard the bits you mayn't.