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[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

My point is that even if you're only looking at gender identity, trans=identified males still aren't women. Basically, even their own "logic" dismantles transgender identity.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're the only not on the TRA side who cares this much about "gender identity". Saying that men pretending to be "women" are really men because of their usually stereotypical male behaviour is a self-defeating position. Women are women because of our bodies, not because a bunch of sexist stereotypes. Why anyone who is against the roles and expectations that are imposed on women and men would define the words woman and man in such terms?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My post is in the public domain now. You can cannibalise any bits that you may find helpful & discard the bits you mayn't.