Do individuals with CAIS have female sex organs? Or do they have male sex organs?

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[–]Kai_Decadence 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I remember watching a little briefing on CAIS and if I remember correctly, they do possess female sex organs. The complication that comes up with them is that they are also born with internal gonads but they're non-functional and are dormant.

I don't think there's been a condition where a person born with male genitalia, was also born with a uterus.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Quoting myself in the post:

I have read CAIS individuals do not have ovaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome#Physical

The gonads in these women are not ovaries, but instead, are testes; during the embryonic stage of development, testes form in an androgen-independent process that occurs due to the influence of the SRY gene on the Y chromosome.

Immature sperm cells in the testes do not mature past an early stage, as sensitivity to androgens is required in order for spermatogenesis to complete

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/

Girls with CAIS do not have a womb or ovaries

If CAIS individuals do not have ovaries, and have testes or penises instead, as said above, they are not girls, women, or female. They are boys, men or male.

They happen to "pass as" women on the outside. But they are not female.

And I think there is a condition where someone with male genitals has uterus. It's called Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome: https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/persistent-mullerian-duct-syndrome/#:~:text=Persistent%20M%C3%BCllerian%20duct%20syndrome%20is,which%20are%20female%20reproductive%20organs%20.

Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome is a disorder of sexual development that affects males. Males with this disorder have normal male reproductive organs , though they also have a uterus and fallopian tubes, which are female reproductive organs

[–]Kai_Decadence 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Welp the more you know! I'm genuinely surprised there is such a condition of a male being born with a uterus and Fallopian tubes but just like CAIS, it's a very very rare condition so it's not one we have to typically worry about for most citizens. Well "worry" is probably not the best word but I hope you know what I mean. Like trans-identified people are not made up of women with CAIS or men with PMDS

[–]xandit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being born a fully functional male or female is not a sex disorder, which is what trans are trying to imply, that it is and they need to transition to fix it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, it's important to emphasize that males with PMDS have normal male genitals - meaning a penis with male urethra and testes - and all the other male repro organs like prostate and vas deferens too. Though their testes might be undescended, their testes are normally formed and functional in terms of producing male levels of T; and whilst some persons with PMDS have fertility issues, others produce viable sperm as well.

In other words, males with PMDS have a couple of extra parts they're not supposed to have because there was a failure in utero in the signals that should have caused disappearance of Mullerian structures. But they are not missing any repro organs, nor do they necessarily have marked - or any - physiological dysfunction.

Also, the uterus and Fallopian tubes that males with PMDS are usually rudimentary, under-developed or undeveloped and undersized.

https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/8435/persistent-mullerian-duct-syndrome