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[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I listened to a video that talked about how porn is used as a psyop by governments against their enemies. I don't have any thing to back this up, but the guy was saying that the Israelis used porn in the occupied territories and the CIA has used it to break down the fabric of societies.

He also talked about the idea of sexual liberation in terms of the cultural pressures for it coming from the top down through the bigger media outlets and how this goes back long before TV. For my own sanity I have to make a distinction between genuine freedom of choice for people, and the kind of societal pressure in defining new norms artificially. He quoted an unnamed college student who apparently was a RA at her dorm. The woman was confronting a professor who told the class how they (students, young adults) are sort of naturally promiscuous and all that. She said she confronts this daily with younger women coming to her for advice on how to deal with the pressure they want resist but also want to fit in.

He continued on this topic, moving up to top-down societal forces shaping culture. He talked about how the early Soviet government promoted it to break down the culture that tied to people to the past, but soon reversed that decision when they saw a decline in production. A big part of what Lenin was doing, and even bragged about, was managing Russia better than the Czars so that it could compete with the west in spite of the winters. That was a big 'take-away' in Russian intellectual circles after the Crimean War. If they did it long enough to break ties to the past only to then restrict the freedoms they championed, well apparently not really championed but used for an ulterior goal, then people in the west looking to manipulate society may have picked up on it and adjusted to roll it out a little slower.

He tied it all to the idea of Cultural Marxism, which I had never really seen a credible connection to actual Marxism or Leninism, or any of the older class-based economic left that thought about the autonomy and dignity of the worker (and in some anarchist circles, extend that to the full person as more than just an economic actor), and Gramasci and the the Frankfurt School. I found them to be snobs who held the working class in disdain. He pulled some rather damning quotes from them which read as intentionally subversive as some of the stupider things I've seen from "queer theory" (just ... ... I mean come on ... what they hell is that and how is it taken seriously by anyone?), and he uses them to make his point that they were all about breaking society to remake it by pulling the rug out from under community cohesion starting with families and relationships between the sexes and all that "baseball, mom, and apple pie" stuff (in the US, I guess, "football or rugby, mum, and Yorkshire Pudding" for Brits, or "Guiness, Ma, and more Guiness" for Ireland (jk).

He also took this idea of cultural marxism, not as a liberator but a subverter and dissolver of cultural norms and bonds that clears out what is there to make room for what the elites want to replace it with, and looked at foreign policy. He talked about Iraq and how the Wolfowitz Doctrine was cultural marxism. Apparently the US introduced and protected porn there as a way to break that (or really those) society (societies). The drone strikes against weddings and ambulances make more sense in that context. They were very open about how they were intending to remake that society. It may have been portrayed as an attempt to make it an AynRandLand or something like that, but really it was about making a hell on earth. And, if this video by a catholic priest talking about Marian revelations is to be considered, porn led the way. Even if you consider the source suspect, and question the overall thesis, which I've struggled with, there is a lot of food for thought there.

[–]anxietyaccount8[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've heard that porn was used in political conflict before, but am not really interested in that whole argument. It uses porn as a struggle between different groups of men (elites vs "regular guys", Christians vs others), but the #1 thing porn seeks to do is maintain control over women, and men from any country can agree with that.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think on an individual level the specific act of creating porn controls women, rapes them really. Apologists might try to rationalize it away but what ever they call it, it will be a form of rape. The distribution of porn along with its acceptance also controls women in that it sets a societal expectation on them, which is a lowest common denominator that no individual might hold but ends up dragging us all down to where those who control culture want it to be (the gutter, because they hold the general population in disdain. That's why big record companies only saw Rap as viable when it glorified the worst aspects of the culture Rap came out of. This is true of nearly every cultural thing that becomes commercially viable not because of our demand but because of the demands of those who disseminate it). But women are not in a vacuum. Women are half of society. To say men are not controlled by porn is easily seen as not true. The new levels of sexual violence that has become common in consensual sex are a form of that control of men to expect and want that from women-- to want to degrade women, to break society and our cultures even more than it are.

In the same why that what ever you do for the least of you, you do for me, what ever injustice is done to others is an in justice done to all of us. If we ignore the injustice and suffering of others, we kill off our own empathy and our own connection to the rest of humanity. Men who are OK with what is done to women, because those who force our culture into being a pornographic culture, are just as controlled and manipulated as women. The physical suffering of women via porn, and the false standards of behavior set by it on women, create mental and emotional scars on men who expect what is not real. Men and women suffer together in a porn culture where they could and should be seeking communion and love growth in relationships with each other and in community with each other. Who has it worse keeps it a fight. To solve the problem we must all transcend the problem. Porn creates broken people, both men and women, and a broken society for all of us.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wow that sounds extremely interesting, do you remember who this was or who did the video?

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you read my comment to the end you'd see it is about a Marian apparition and it was by a Catholic priest. I do not say that now to imply you didn't read it all, I just don't see "GC" and religion, especially the anti-modernist socially conservative strain of Catholicism, as being an easy mix. It took me a long time to fit that way (really those ways, as my struggle was far bigger than just GC type ideas but also with the nature of authority and abuse of authority) of looking at the world all together with how I see the world. So, just realize you're going to be diving deeply into a world of mysticism in a very old sense of the word (as in Mysteries of Christ, Mysteries of Faith, and all that), a view of what I think are half the problems of the world that I think ignores the other half where they might be ignoring causal factors, and into a view of the Mother of God that is really beyond anything a lot of people are comfortable with especially if they grew up around Protestantism.

It is a play list on youtube that can be found by searching for "Our Lady of Revelation". It is many hours, he repeats himself a lot, but I am OK with that as I listen while driving and need the repetition. It sort of requires an understanding of what happened at Fatima, and he does give that very well. Our Lady of Revelation is a specific apparition that happened at Tre Fontane in Italy, but it had direct ties to Fatima. In a sense, they all do.

I right now believe that the woman clothed in the sun of the Book of Revelation is specifically Mary appearing to the children at Fatima (no real detective work needed, they basically said she looked like she was wearing the sun). I used to think that book only applied to the times it was written in and that it was no use to us today. I saw too many Christians not seeking "deeper" knowledge to behave better to each other and themselves, only taking a surface meaning of being better people, doing no charity with little care for people around them because they saw them selves as a new Noah in the Ark as people milled about outside for 2 weeks before the rain began. I thought they missed the point of it all, and because of that I wanted nothing to do with that kind of religiosity. I sought a more "inner" mysticism that loved everyone as equals and selflessly-- very communitarian. I do not think I was wrong, but I am really confident there is more.

For another youtube channel that talks about Marian apparitions, the Marian News channel is great. She goes through individual apparitions in detail. I do not know if she covered the Our Lady of Revelation apparitions though. La Salette is her big focus as she is trying to follow that specific apparition's instructions. She also has a big play list on the locutions given to Father Gobbi that explain the book of revelation also. I do not think OLoR and Father Gobbi are in conflict, but I need to dig deeper into both. Suffice it that the world can not get much worse that it is today, the freedom and liberty and brotherhood promised since the revolutions after the enlightenment are turning out to be Orwell's boot. Every "if only this would change and things would be better" ends up being hijacked by power hunger jerks and things only get worse.

If you dig into those videos, I'd love to know what you think. If you have any questions, ask me. I don't know if I have answers, but I can share and learn. I may have to start a new saidit sub as it is really off topic though. Edited to add, the new sub is called Hail Mary. It is private as I don't want to deal with trolls and don't want to be spending a lot of time baby sitting.

[–]throwaway999 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Will you link the video please?

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Read this first, then you'll see how to find the video.

https://saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/8ewo/porn_and_dating_apps_the_brothel_model_approach/v92o

I just want to make sure people know what they're getting into before they go find it. It is from a very anti-modernist point of view. The name of the video on youtube is Our Lady of Revelation part 5: Errors of Russia and Cultural Marxism but the whole set of videos is interesting. The videos about Bruno Cornacchio are worth watching regardless of how one feels about this stuff because his life ... was very full to say the least.

[–]throwaway999 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What is an apparition?