Liberals are now policing feminist jokes

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[–]soundsituation 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

People who are colloquially referred to as liberals often aren't. What kind of liberal opposes basic liberties such as freedom of expression? These people are cultural neomarxists, and given that they've been the driving force behind cancel culture for the past decade or so, I'm not surprised by this at all.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The only freedom liberals really ever cared is economic freedom. And how are woke people neomarxist? Woke politics is really liberal politics. Their theories were written within the walls of the exclusive and super expensive universities developed countries. They are backed up by billionaries, they have the support from a good bunch of the mainstream media and big companies. They have Big Tech on their side. Their tactics, like cancel culture, hurt people from lower socioeconomical backgroud the most. There is also a lot of money to be made through identity politics. The Oppression Olympics they preach is very useful for the ruling class to divide and conquer. For companies, it's way easier and cheaper to tweet a woke message than actually adressing working conditions. Just because some woke people may identify as "anticapitalists" or "marxists" it doesn't mean their politics aren't in fact very pro-capitalist.

[–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When I talk about liberals I'm referring to people who support the principles of liberalism in the philosophical sense. I understand that the term has been bastardized to mean something else colloquially, which was the main point of my comment above.

And how are woke people neomarxist?

That's why I specified that they are culturally neomarxist, in that they apply the Marxist oppressed/oppressor dichotomy that traditionally described the 1% and the other 99, to other axes that have nothing to do with economics and often have nothing to do with real oppression either. Some of these groups are defined by immutable material characteristics and some aren't, but woke types don't seek equality of opportunity between such groups anyway; they want power and equity. I'd say that that is also anti-liberal.

I agree with everything else you wrote, though.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If their ideas have nothing to do with marxism, then it doesn't make sense calling them "neomarxists" or "cultural marxists". Even if they cover their ideas with some marxist concepts to appear to be revolutionaries, it doesn't make sense. It's like calling TRA feminists because they use some feminist concepts to hide their true nature. Calling the woke "neomarxists" only serves to hide the fact that woke politics is, in fact, a capitalist enterprise.

Liberalism was originally tied up with economic policies, though. I don't know why Americans use the word in a different way, but I don't think Democrats care that much about freedom in general. Maybe, when it was the Republicans the ones who took offense at everything, they could say to be the party of freedom. However, IMO, just a glance at their foreign policy shows the two parties are two sides of the same coin.

[–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not saying that they're exactly the same or that if you support one you have to support the other. I'm saying they share the same structure. They don't use the same recipe but they do use the same formula.

This video may explain it better than I can.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but I just stoped before the 5 minutes mark. I can't be bothered to finish the video when this dude get basic definitions totally wrong. Marxism opposes capitalism. You cannot talk about marxism without talking about economy and economic policies. Claiming that marxism opposes liberalism and the latter seeks the freedom of all individuals is disingenous. It is true that liberalism was key in the resurgement of democracy and the fall of absolute monarchies in modern times. However, the freedom that came with capitalsm had limits. For instance, in many (I'd say all, but I'm not sure) countries the vote was restricted to people based on sex, income or race at first. Many liberal countries have enganged in imperialism, without any care for the freedom of the people who lived in the countries they invaded. In some cases, the ruling class has overthrown democratic elected goverments they didn't like and persecuted political rivals (for an example of this, you can read on the history of military dictatorships in Latin America). Saying that only comunists can be authoritharians is a capitalist mith. That is why I said that the only freedom that liberals care about is economic freedom. Everything else is optional.

And I think it matters a lot how we choose to politically define the woke. Just like it matters we can say that "trans woman" are actually men claiming to be women for a variety of reasons, it matters we can say from where this ideology comes from and who is putting the money behind it. This ideology have surged in the West and the ones in power there are NOT marxist. Not only woke politics has nothing to do with economical policies, but their focus with identity has more in common with the individualism and the idea of the self-made man espoused by liberalism than with the class analysis from marxism.

I don't think it's a coincidence that "neomarxism" is a term usually used by conservatives. While conservatives opposes identity politics, they don't have any interest in economic reform, either. It suits their own interests to label the woke that way because they don't want people to question the status quo. Just like it suits them to blame transgenderism on feminism.