Why I will eventually say, "Adios" to GC feminist activism...

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[–]NeedMoreCoffee 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

This isn't about head scarves just like the gender war is not about pronouns.

You are being disingenuous. That hijab is not just head wear. It is a symbol of their oppression and them being able to remove it is the first important step for them to get their freedom and rights back.

Just like how the "where is my name?" campaign in Afghanistan. Do Afghan women have bigger problems then have their name on documents? Yes. does not mean it is not a crucial victory for them they finally achieved.

Your post is disappointing.

[–]Houseplant 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It’s like she’s accusing us of o ly caring about one thing. Feels the same as the whataboutisms men regularly use to complain about feminists caring about women.

Idk how someone talking about the enforced veils is preventing talk about the other issues op brings up. Op could make an informative post about the issue bothering her instead of this odd ‘I’m leaving social media!’ styled nothing-post.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it's a weird post all around.

[–]Doe_aFemaleDeer 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Anyone can "care" about many things. But there are priorities to be addressed. For example, when the Germans were gearing up to besiege & invade Czechoslovakia - would one 'talk about' how Czech/Slovak women are socially forced to wear long skirts, or about the fact that the Nazis are planning to invade and carpet-b0mb thousands of Czech women. Iran is being attacked by U.S. Air Force, besieged by U.S. economic sanctions and U.S. Generals have openly stated that the U.S. plans to invade & b0mb Iran (which means killing Iranian women as "casualties of war"). Guess what happens to women in countries that are invaded and b0mbed by foreign Armies.

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rape, murder, maiming, and living under another oppressive regime?

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is the gendercritical forum. I honestly thought the main concern is the TRA movement and other issues are discussed on other forums.

[–]Houseplant 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Tra are the biggest pushers of gender ideology outside of religious groups (in the west at least) and so they do make up a lot of posts here, but I’d say anything related to gendered thinking and norms has a place here.

I’d argue that the purity thing gets taken too far in most gender critical subs by some users. in cases like this where someone is going to leave because not enough people discuss the sexed issues they want discussed (without ever making posts about those issues) and others where the complaint is that we’re all too focussed on TRA and not posting enough about how cosmetics are bad or something.

Anything related to criticism of gendered objects or ideas belongs here.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Anything related to criticism of gendered objects or ideas belongs here.

I know they belong here. I was just under the impression this sub is specifically about criticising the TRA movement. It makes a lot of sense if the issues OP wants to discuss appear in another sub.

[–]Doe_aFemaleDeer 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The "first important step" "to get their freedom and rights back" is to fight back against the crippling, racist, oppressive sanctions (a.k.a. "siege warfare") which the Imperialist, Western-Supremacist, xenophobic U.S. Empire is deploying to choke Iran (including Iranian women and their children).

People who don't understand that the U.S. Pentagonian Empire is gearing up for a MILITARY WAR against Iran (including against Iranian women and their families) has their head in the sand. U.S. General Wesley Clark has openly, publicly stated the U.S. is planning to invade & occupy oil-rich Iran (which means U.S. Air Force carpet-b0mbing and murdering Iranian women).

And the second "important step" "to get their freedom and rights back" is for Iranian women to get nuclear arms. Because without them, genocidal American men (and jingoistic, collaborating American female soldiers) will invade them soon enough (just like they already invaded & occupied Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc). Iranian women will never get their "freedom back" if their Asian Continent continues to get invaded & occupied by an Army of racist, homicidal, neo-Colonialist North Americans & Western Europeans.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You need to stop watching american spy movies and stop visiting weird conspiracy forums.

We are talking about the real world here.

[–]Doe_aFemaleDeer 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I grew up close to Iran. I was born in Asia and have a mixed-race family that includes Muslims (my whole paternal family) and Christians (my maternal family). I don't need to "watch American spy movies" (btw, that's a bizarre metaphor - since "American spy movies" probably always paint Americans as 'heroes'). My "real world" is growing up in an environment where U.S./UK/NATO mass-murdering invaders (from thousands of miles away, from a completely different continent) suddenly barge over to my Asian continent every few years and b0mb Muslim country after Muslim country. My "real world" is watching U.S. General Wesley Clark openly stating (in a public broadcast) that the U.S. plan is to invade 7 Muslim countries - and then watching his words come to life before my eyes. The U.S. is behaving like the freakin' 4th Reich - the new Colonialist Nazis. And they admitted to it PUBLICLY. So get your head out of the sand, we're talking about the real world here.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You expect women who are not even allowed outside without their husbands permission to "fight back against oppressive US sanctions" and get "nuclear arms"?

You are in lala land.

[–]Doe_aFemaleDeer 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

No, as far as I heard from my friend who studied in Tehran, that’s incorrect. Non-married or divorced adult women don’t need any permission, according to an updated law. Maybe the reason why you haven’t heard about this update is that Western Media is deeply Racist against the East and doesn’t want to report anything even remotely positive or improving about the Iranian Nation.

And please stop talking down to me like a condescending Western Imperialist. I'm not in "La La Land", I already told you that I'm from Asia and half of my family is Muslim. Iran used to be increasingly secular, Iranian women had back then achieved so much progress (especially in the capital & big cities) … but then male and female Racists from the Imperialist U.S. illegally intervened in their elections & backed a Fundamentalist Islamist Coup to overthrow the democratically elected SECULAR gov’t.

Western women (who are, sadly, often very casually xenophobic & racist, just like their Western male counterparts) should stop raising their sons & daughters as such Racist Warmongers. There are many WOMEN in the U.S. who merrily supported carpet-b0mbing my Asian continent of birth for decades now. And ca. 200,000 women even VOLUNTARILY “serve” in the bloody U.S. WAR MACHINE, joining in in the B0MBING of Eastern women and besieging Eastern women in an Economic blockade.

How can Iranian women achieve more “rights” when their country is constantly plunged into a State of Emergency b/c of the U.S. threatening to massacre Iranians in Air Raids (like the U.S. already did to multiple other countries, destroying them), and when Western women CLOSE THEIR EYES on the economy-crushing, hunger-causing BLOCKADE that the U.S. imposed on Iran. Women & children are the biggest victims of economic blockades.

How can Iranian women achieve “freedom” when their life-important economy is BESIEGED by Iran-hating Western Racists! If you want to help Iranian women - write to your representative to LIFT THE BLOCKADE & Trade Embargo. Some Iranians can’t even get enough medicine due to the Western Embargo! Only a NON-BESIEGED, non-b0mbed country with non-encumbered life-essential TRADE can develop enough social & economic stability for big social reforms for women.