I think there’s a lot more evidence linking transgenderism and raging narcissists

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[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

They all seem dumb as fuck to me since they can't even define what a woman is.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Yeah, I've seen pretty strong evidence linking trans identities with Cluster B personality disorders. There's a large body of evidence linking gender dysphoria with comorbidities like autism, eating disorders and depression. Haven't seen this IQ one, though. You'd think TRAs would be all over that.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

A relatively small Iranian study (70 or so) found a link with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Another study I saw found MOTHERS of transgenders (not sure if was both TiMs and TiFs, or just TiMs) had a higher % of mental health issues. I seem to remember it was a specific personality disorder, but I'm blanking on what it was.

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

See with all those mental health issues, their brains are stronger the same way a powerlifter is stronger from working out all the time. Thus they must have higher IQs, it's science. /s

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's funny because mental illness actually damages the brain.

[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A lot has been written about how cross-sex hormones lower IQ (not that I think anyone can clearly state what IQ measures. But within individuals in the same culture and same socio-economic status, I think it measures 'something') The Dunning-Kreiger Effect might also be a factor here.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've read testimonials that anti-androgens seriously impair cognition. Several people claim they weren't able to read while on the medication.

[–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. Does it work the other way around?

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe for aging men, but no, androgens don't improve cognition in women.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's worth noting that any studies on trans people in Iran are probably not applicable to trans people in most other places.

[–]whoamiwhowhowhowho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What evidence are you referring to for Cluster B personality disorders? Last time I looked, it didn't seem very strong to me. Maybe I missed something.

[–]lefterfield 13 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 8 fun -  (5 children)

Lol, what. I've never met an online TRA who wasn't dumb as a box of rocks and twice as deluded.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"ITS MAAAAAM" - expressed the trans genius eloquently to the lowly stupid store clerk

[–]soundsituation 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've met a handful (well, only on reddit) that are quite skilled at rhetoric and sophistry. In my opinion that does signify some degree or type of intelligence; it also signifies above-average Dark Triad traits, of which narcissism is one.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, to some degree, there is an intelligence involved in rhetoric, even if the premise of one's argument is complete nonsense. But I think there's a larger argument about the nature of intelligence(or maybe wisdom) and truth - IE, if the premise of your argument is utter bullshit, and you continue arguing it, you're either 1. Too stupid to realize this, or 2. A pathological liar/narcissist. I believe that to be truly intelligent you have to have the ability to evaluate yourself and those around you accurately. Argumentation and rhetorical strategy can be learned, even by people who are otherwise not very bright.

Your point is fair though, and I have seen those types on reddit.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have seen those types on saidit too.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've met a handful (well, only on reddit) that are quite skilled at rhetoric and sophistry. In my opinion that does signify some degree or type of intelligence; it also signifies above-average Dark Triad traits, of which narcissism is one.

There are cases of some people who are actually smart, and some people just happen to sound smart because they are taught specifically how to think in certain ways for a specific subject. A more objective measure of intelligence would be to see how one adapts to the situation. A person can be taught how to be skilled in rhetoric and sophistry (a.k.a convince people of bullshit), but they can also be utterly incompetent in arguing objectivity.

Considering that TRA arguments revolve around such a mundane subject which people don't actually study, I'd say they hit a weak point in society and they're not good at rhetoric and sophistry, because we can all see right through their bullshit without the need to do a lot of research.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Transgenders have a higher rate of personality disorders

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084367/#!po=58.2474

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

US study on Gender Diverse: Depression affected 78%, followed by anxiety (62.2%), personality disorder (22%), and post-traumatic stress disorder (14.6%). 58.5% experienced suicidal ideation, 22% attempted suicide, and 36.6% were victims of abuse. Oct 2020 https://bsd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13293-020-00332-5

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Big brain time: deliberately kill all your sperm, get your dick cut off, make YouTube money crying about infertility as if it wasn’t self inflicted. Yep, they’re a brilliant bunch.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're getting "crazy" mixed up with "high IQ".