Their title is ironic and they are unaware of it

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[–]usehername 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd like to see an example of literally anyone saying "trans people don't exist", and that doesn't include pointing out that the term is meaningless and can include anyone. Who tf populates your subs if trans people don't exist? Who tf are we talking about here? The argument is simply that a man can never become a woman and vice versa (which is a scientific fact), and that it's harmful to validate someone's delusions, especially to the point that they mutilate their own body.

If your definition has unmentioned "exceptions" it is not a rigorous definition. Things like prime numbers are rigorously well defined.

That's literally all of science. I'm guessing this person is also anti-vax because vaccines aren't 100% effective with zero exceptions. Just kidding, I already know they aren't consistent.

[–]lefterfield 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prime numbers aren't science, so he's deeply confused. Of course they're well-defined, everything in math is, as it's based on pure logic and constructed from human thought. Science is an observational field. It's impossible to guarantee that nothing will ever happen that contradicts an observation that you're making today.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pseudo-psychology, mangled sociology, and big pharma pushing pills are not "advanced biology."

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right, it's "Madness 101".

I will name "Neuraxpharm" as possibly one of them (emphasis on "possibly", they funded TI supporting research on brain comparisons).

[–]WanderingWonder 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As someone who also passed advanced biology, I call bullshit

[–]Femaleisnthateful 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where is the scientific evidence of a gendered soul? Genuinely interested.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Little do they know that "advanced biology" teaches advanced biology concepts, it doesn't test you on your ability to interpret and evaluate research from a depersonalised objective view point. You can be gender deluded while passing the section about cytogenetics because the course is testing your ability to understand and apply it's concepts, not if you can identify if someone is "born in the wrong body". Also some courses are structured to support TRAs because some course coordinators buy into the gender delusion.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They're being told to. They're sat in seminars, and required to take extended education on how to bring inclusivity into a hard science.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This reminds me of an article I read how physics got "feminised" (such a stupid term to use to avoid saying "dumbing down") physics in Australian education.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/physics-courses-too-feminised-scientist

I would believe what you say but, I must ask (because blindly believing without questioning is bad), is there proof you can provide for this (and hopefully a university's name so I can stay right away from it)?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's in the US. I can't provide much without self dox, but I can tell you that I know first hand.

[–]GConly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So much incorrect information there.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They seem to be under the impression that just because they studied and passed higher level biology, their delusions are valid and biology teaches transgender exists. I'm willing to bet that's their interpretation and not something their course actually taught, though with what is going on today, I'm not surprised if a few courses actually state outright transgenders exist but even if they did, they wouldn't exactly structure their tests to mainly focus on a relatively new field if even at all.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Really, it's a form of appeal to authority logical fallacy. This university told them they know enough about biology to pass some tests, so therefore nothing they say on the subject of biology could be wrong. If anything, it's an indictment of the university - both for allowing them to pass courses while having fundamental misunderstandings of basic concepts, and for not teaching them logical thinking.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Definitely. Out of curiosity, will it be relevant if I post a recent study here relating to TI and normal people brains and we can all disassemble why such a study is so stupid? Because society has been conditioned to believe research that supports the TI narrative (especially existing research which provides raw data on differences between the brains of the normal people and gender deluded), but most people don't really know what good research looks like nor are most able to interpret it as some of it's lexicon are outside of generalised education (e.g. descriptive statistics). I think a discussion about a recent research which supports the TI narrative helps keep everyone up to date about what TRAs are arguing and how they're basing their arguments. Alternatively I'm thinking about just starting a blog (under a different name) and just posting it there and pointing out a couple of things of the research and how the studies do not separate gender stereotypes from biology and instead just assume that "female identities" and "male identities" are entities merged with the person's physiology and not simply abstract concepts. To counteract this lunacy we need to counter it from so many perspectives (e.g. biological, psychological, sociological).

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think that'd be a great blog and/or study to read about. I say go for it.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was asking if it was a good idea to post TI supporting study (its purpose is to support TIs) and start a discussion about it (that is, scrutinise it so everyone is aware of the research they keep basing their delusions on and are probably going to start citing if they haven't done so already). I might start a blog, but I honestly think I don't have much to write about other than just talking about how the issues of research is that it's taking a perception of reality and merging it with biology (and I'm not even sure if I'm wording that right).

[–]lefterfield 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think so, but it's really not my decision.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even the top-level schools in the US, such as Harvard, have been bought by the gender lobby and are now requiring hard science students to be indoctrinated into gender woo woo.

[–]DropItLikeItsHot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is such a ridiculous counterargument; nobody is denying people exist who are calling themselves trans. The point is that transgenderism is basically an unhealthy way of covering up and avoiding dealing with underlying mental health issues, or worse, a way to justify forcing others to engage with them in public autogynephilia and exhibitionism fetishes.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right. Everybody here is saying that trans bodies and brains don't exist.

The point is that transgenderism is basically an unhealthy way of covering up and avoiding dealing with underlying mental health issues, or worse, a way to justify forcing others to engage with them in public autogynephilia and exhibitionism fetishes.

Transgenderism is a group of beliefs that state trans bodies and minds exist (e.g. plainly believing you are meant to be the opposite sex, hijra, two spirit). It doesn't have a point.

How it's used is a different thing (e.g. attention seeking, covering up mental health issues, autogynephelia).