HELEN JOYCE argues the gender self-identification lobby is harmful

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[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I am so glad that this book is coming out and from someone whose credentials are as impeccable as those of Helen Joyce. I think that this book might be a game changer.

Although, I will never call a man who claims to be a woman a transgender, much less a transgender woman.

I feel even allowing the idea that people can change sex or gender or whatever, even in their head, given the confusion around the topic that gender activists have caused, is a slippery slope. One that we seem to be at the bottom of already.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What's more, I fear, its overreach is likely to provoke a backlash that will harm ordinary trans people who simply want safety and social acceptance. When the public finally realises what is being demanded, the blame may not land with the activists, where it belongs.

She seems worried about the "non-crazy" trans and does not seem to understand that the "ordinary trans" are also supporting the movement. I give her points for publishing this book to protect the objective reality on biology, but she seems unaware if she is going to do that, then she's also going against the concept of "transgender" itself (assuming her book uses research that is properly supported).

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have noticed that some UK feminists are much kinder than I am regarding GC-allied TiMs, in terms of they'll be motherly towards them and some even use requested pronouns.

I have nothing against TiMs who claim to be GC allies, but admitting that there is a coherent category called "transgender," which there isn't - gender people are all over the map - would seem to me to mean that you are sort of onboard with transgenders claiming some kinds of rights, and that's where it all goes to hell, because those rights inevitably come out of women's very thin slice of the rights pie.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have nothing against TiMs who claim to be GC allies

I'm surprised, they're the antithesis of gendercritical (no biggie, each to their own).

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right, I guess I do think that TiMs who claim to be GC allies are also, perhaps inadvertently, encouraging the idea that there is such a thing as a transgender woman.

[–]DropItLikeItsHot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're in kind of in a shitty position. The ones who medically transitioned as kind of the old wave of transsexuality are seeing their identities ruined by a far more aggressive and misogynistic takeover. And some of them have been transitioned and so invested in it that it's not as if they can suddenly come to grips with detransitioning...

But I agree that it seems that the presence of transgenderism as an accepted means of dealing with gender dysphoria is failing people and is being used by autogynephiles as a convenient excuse to engage in their fetish and force people to condone it publicly.

Transgenderism is essentially saying the only way to address dysphoria is to live in denial and ask society to assist in that denialism. It's not healthy, and it's little wonder it's been a slippery slope to TIMs demanding access to rape shelters and sports teams in the name of validation.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're in kind of in a shitty position. The ones who medically transitioned as kind of the old wave of transsexuality are seeing their identities ruined by a far more aggressive and misogynistic takeover.

I doubt it considering that TRAs are more common these days and organisations are now catering to these crazy people. You are right that they would have a strong motive for perpetuating a delusion.

And some of them have been transitioned and so invested in it that it's not as if they can suddenly come to grips with detransitioning...

That's their problem, it's not relevant to the fact that they are cherry picking science, reinforcing sexist stereotypes and are misleading vulnerable individuals to adopt delusional beliefs.

autogynephiles as a convenient excuse to engage in their fetish and force people to condone it publicly.

There're people who genuinely believe that their spirit is that of the opposite sex, there are weird fetishists, there are people who are both. I'm not interested in separating them, because they're all forcing society to perpetuate a delusion regardless if they believe in it or not and TRA policies are built on the assumption that trans bodies are a real thing.

Transgenderism is essentially saying the only way to address dysphoria is to live in denial and ask society to assist in that denialism.

Transgenderism is a belief which stems from sexism. Nothing less, nothing more. They are using transgenderism to tell themselves they are "oppressed victims" and to get attention. Crazy people (both females and males) believe this B.S and the bonus advantages for TiMs just happens to be access to rape shelters and sports. I suspect it's also used as a lazy diagnosis like ADHD if the psychologist can't be bothered to put in the work to properly diagnose the patient.

Edit: Wording