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What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice?

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[–]jkfinn 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Sexuality is built around male objectification of women (or her substitute)---men doing the objectifying and women having to deal with it via a array of responses which include both acceptance and rejection. Sex is a political act--or how women are made inferior and how men achieve dominance.

What would male sex be like without objectification? My conjecture is that it would be far less significant, far less practiced (if at all), far more private and, of course, far more egalitarian and real. It would also mean a new day for women’s sexuality which would slowly transform into something perhaps unpredictably different from its present forms, because the heterosexual determinant, which everyone practices or constantly has to reject, will have vanished. It would also end gender altogether, and those hundreds of labels that are supposed to derive from “natural” or “cultural” “sex attraction” to this or that sex and gender--although there would, undoubtedly, be far more lesbians.

[–]yousaythosethings 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sexuality is built around male objectification of women (or her substitute)---men doing the objectifying and women having to deal with it via a array of responses which include both acceptance and rejection. Sex is a political act--or how women are made inferior and how men achieve dominance.

Said no actual lesbian ever.

It would also end gender altogether, and those hundreds of labels that are supposed to derive from “natural” or “cultural” “sex attraction” to this or that sex and gender--although there would, undoubtedly, be far more lesbians.

Lol no. “Gender” in terms of femininity and masculinity and expectations and associations with them very much exists among lesbians. Our innate sexual orientation is not a political or ideological choice. Nor is it some egalitarian misogyny-free utopia.

[–]SexualityCritical[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

'Said no actual lesbian ever.'

I've heard it be said before, but I think I should say it now. I think that, honestly, a lot of women who say they're radical feminists are really just gender critical liberal feminists. This criticism of compulsory heterosexuality - that one is, by genetics, forced to be heterosexual, which is what 'sexuality is not a choice' would imply - is entirely unique to radical feminism, or was anyway, as many MGTOW, pro-male types have also understood sexuality to be derived from political ideology.

Why do you think it's the case that most radical feminists aren't heterosexual-identified, but most women in general are? Clearly, ideology. I have no clue what this 'non-political lesbianism' is, as it implies that a woman's choices aren't based upon any reason, any logical sense, but are pointless, driven by hedonistic matters, or absent altogether of thought. It is, in essence, to divorce an entire person's journey from purpose, to state that there's no difference in quality, grounded by objectivity, between the romantic/sexual relationships which subsist between women and men and women and women.

Radical feminism has, for a long time, criticised heterosexuality as a political prison created as the norm by patriarchy to keep women in bondage with men. Prior to Christianity (there's nothing inherently wrong with Christianity or being a Christian, but more with how it's interpreted by reactionaries: i.e., the anti-gay sentiment), in the continent of Europe, sexual expressions between individuals of the same sex were not only socially acceptable, but normalised, and actually rather widespread. Heterosexuality exists because marriage exists. Heterosexuality exists because natalism and the family exist. Heterosexuality can only ever be political.