Just received my first mega ban from a Reddit sub because of My GC views

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[–]gloom 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is awful Kai. I am a fellow goth. I saw you get cancelled real time yesterday and immediately thought of your posts here. Weirdly I had no idea of your views before I saw your posts here recently in the last few weeks. I just knew you from your vids which are cool. I was thinking it was brave of you to post under your main online name considering the risks. Then within days you get cancelled.

The whole thread condemning you is pretty self serving.

It is news to me that we now have to cancel other goths for having differing opinions about gender. I always thought there was one thing the goth scene demonstrates is that gender roles and expression are utterly subjective. I love the scene because it destroyed the gender policing, so common in wider society when I got into it long ago. Because it was a safe place for all genders and sexualities to flourish. Now look where we are in 2021.

A gay Black goth has been cancelled for just thinking WRONG! It is appalling.

The crazy thing is the posts they link to just show how reasonable you are and indeed how you don't actually hate trans people at all. It is like saying an atheist is a bigot and hates all Christians when he just questions Christianity.

I don't know you if you saw this from Aytakk further down in the thread in part of the thread that was downvoted:

"I also have a friend in another city who was hit on by a trans lady and she wasn't interested. When asked why she said she doesn't like dick. The trans lady kicked up a big fuss and ended up being excluded from the bigger group because of her behaviour and attempts to divide friendships over it. From what I could tell it was her disruptive behaviour that got her outed as there were other trans people in the group too."

Classic piece of predatory homophobia from a trans person. This is exactly the problem that people are refusing to admidt exists. How they hell can we say Trans people are totally safe when some pull this stuff. I have a bunch of trans people who I love, but I just can't support overruling women's safety concerns, because I know this type of things happens. Notice how Aytakk has to justify the expulsion as if it is inherently unlikely a trans person would pull this kind of stuff. It is just brainwashing. Reality is most trans people are fine just like most men are, some however are not safe and we have to admidt predators exist and support women in staying safe. Yet Aytakk somehow can justify cancelling you even though he knows this stuff actually happens.

To add to the insanity they are comparing cancelling another goth who expressed support for the Confederacy to being Gender Critical as if the two things are remotely comparable. Because supporting feminists is the same as endorsing slavery and a war which killed 100,000s of people.

If you question the narrative at all this is what can happen. It is chilling.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the kind words, I was honestly surprised that there are goths from that sub who are on this website but if it means anything, I appreciate the comment because it shows that not all in the Goth scene are some hivemind even though that thread made it look like that to be honest.

The biggest reason why I was so surprised at the banning was because I never once posted any of my GC beliefs in that thread nor did I start fights with any of the Trans-identified people in that group. But yeah they still felt like I'm some dangerous person who needs to be hidden just because of what I said (which aren't even hateful) outside of the group on my own time. The funny thing is that I hadn't seen my old posts in a long time so going back to them was a real nostalgia bomb, especially the JK Rowling one because I had people trying to challenge my views and I accepted it. I tried to be as fair as I could by simply answering the questions and asking questions back but revisiting that comment thread, I noticed how not one person even bothered to answer any of my questions which should really show to others how the ideology is faulty.

Ans you're so right about what the Goth scene originally stood for. Aside from the music, it was also known for it's open-mindedness when it came to gender roles and how it was no big deal for men to be feminine or women to be masculine. But now in the 2010s, the w0Ke crowd invaded and now it's all about this trans insanity. Like it was getting really bad when you have people trying to trans Rozz Williams (RIP) of all people... It really aggravates and annoys me because he's one of the few somewhat prominent GNC men aside from the late Pete Burns.

Reality is most trans people are fine just like most men are, some however are not safe and we have to admidt predators exist and support women in staying safe.

Exactly. While I do mention AGPs, I never said that all trans-identified men were Autogynephiles because they aren't and for the most part are fine but just a little lost because they're thinking too much about socially constructed gender norms and I don't think it should be wrong to point that out.

And I would figure that Aytakk since he's somewhat GNC himself would understand where someone like me is coming from but it appears not...

To add to the insanity they are comparing cancelling another goth who expressed support for the Confederacy to being Gender Critical as if the two things are remotely comparable. Because supporting feminists is the same as endorsing slavery and a war which killed 100,000s of people.

That's the thing that pissed me off, I won't lie. Them comparing me to a confederate who may be racist (I haven't actually looked deeply into this topic yet) was truly upsetting but again, not surprising...