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[–]anxietyaccount8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why does everyone insist that they are straight? I believe it's bisexual women who usually identify as nb/pansexual.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The "LGBT" is a big umbrella. Lots of heterosexual male people now claim they are lesbians, and sometimes their wives and female partners claim they are now lesbians or bi too as a result. Lots of same-sex attracted young people are claiming to be trans so they can identify out of being gay, lesbian or bi yet remain under the "LGBT" umbrella. And lots of straight women who want to appear edgy and with it and "included" are "coming out" as non-binary and "queer." Like Jamila Jameel, a bog standard straight woman whose partners have alway been men who claims she is "queer."

Finally, a lot of young people "identifying as" LGBTQ today have had little or no IRL sexual experience, much less relationships. Many have not even kissed someone else in a sexual way. They're just adopting labels, labels that might - or then again, might not - be consistent with their actual sexual orientation and behaviors once they start seriously figuring themselves out and getting some actual life experience under their belts.

And even if these young people did or do have some same-sex sexual experience already, it doesn't mean they are necessarily "LGBTQ." It's always been quite common for kids, adolescents and college/uni students and young adults to have same-sex sexual experiences in the process of growing up. Doesn't mean everyone with these experiences is really bi, gay or "pan." The way people live their adult lives past age 25 into middle-age and the senior years is much more indicative of their actual sexual orientation than the exploring and experimenting they did in their formative years.

Finally, many young people's sense of their own sexual orientation gets thoroughly screwed up because they were sexually abused as children and adolescents, and/or are currently in a sexually abusive or coercive relationship in early adulthood. Some people who suffered CSA, ASA & EASA assume that because they were sexually abused by someone of one sex as children/adolescents/young adults, it means they are naturally oriented towards that sex. On the other hand, some people go in the opposite direction, reacting to being sexually abused by members of one sex by rejecting the idea that they might ever feel any attraction to or want sexual involvement with members that sex of their own volition in the future.

The upshot is that especially when it comes to people under age 25, what they tell pollsters, report in anonymous online surveys and say on social media has to be taken with a grain of salt. Or a whole shaker. Much of the supposed big uptick in "the LGBTQ" that is said to have occurred under Trump is based on what people 18-24 told a recent Gallup poll and on surveys and claims made by "LGBTQ" campaign organizations.

EDITed to add: what anyone of any age tells pollsters or reports in surveys about their sexual orientation and sex lives, as well as most other topics, needs to be regarded with skepticism. People lie to themselves and others all the time about all sorts of stuff. To get a sense of how prevalent being "LGBTQ" really is requires much deeper digging into what actually people do, the kinds of behaviors and relationships they engage in, rather than just taking note of what people say and what identity labels they've decided to adopt. The "identities" people nowadays claim or invent often have been chosen to set themselves apart from - and above - the rest of the population, whom they assume to consist of people who are mostly straight, "vanilla" and dreadfully boring.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And even if these young people did or do have some same-sex sexual experience already, it doesn't mean they are necessarily "LGBTQ." It's always been quite common for kids, adolescents and college/uni students and young adults to have same-sex sexual experiences in the process of growing up.

Uh, no. Normal heterosexual people don't just have same-sex experiences without feeling revolted and raped after. If they enjoyed it, they are bi, no matter how far they lean towards the opposite sex. However, you are correct when you include:

people who suffered CSA, ASA & EASA

Sexual trauma can mess with a person's understanding of their sexuality, especially if they end up developing fetishes, which can override one's sexual orientation.

because they were sexually abused by someone of one sex as children/adolescents/young adults, it means they are naturally oriented towards that sex

It is possible that an abused person who is abused by a person of the same sex can develop a fetish for abuse from said sex, but the fetish would have to be really extreme for a heterosexual to seek out abusive sexual relationships with members of the same sex without having ANY genuine attraction to them. Now, I'm not saying this never happens, but it's very uncommon. This scenario is much more common: I know a bi man (who calls himself gay) who is exactly like this. He has admitted that he rarely (when drunk) engages in opposite-sex-oriented sexual behavior, however, in relationships, he seeks out abusive gay men and does feel genuine attraction to them. These behaviors can happen as you described, except the ones who engage in it are, in general, genuinely bi, however far they may lean in one direction.

The way people live their adult lives past age 25 into middle-age and the senior years is much more indicative of their actual sexual orientation than the exploring and experimenting they did in their formative years.

Disagree. Sounds like you're saying that bi people with a preference for one sex aren't really bi.

The upshot is that especially when it comes to people under age 25, what they tell pollsters, report in anonymous online surveys and say on social media has to be taken with a grain of salt. Or a whole shaker.

Very much agree.

People lie to themselves and others all the time about all sorts of stuff.

Agree.

[–]levind[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, great elaboration. If you check the references, you will find the mentioned fertility rate is for women aged 15–44 years in specified group. And to use one of specified group, for example using age of mother (women) in the range 20-24 years, the fertility rate drop more higher during the Trump admin., from 73.8 in 2016 becomes 62.8 in 2020.

[–]WildApples 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great comment. And I want to add that I think there is a moral pressure among some younger cohorts to transcend sexuality. They receive the message from their woke friends that if they are not pansexual, they are too focused on genitalia and are not sufficiently capable of love if they cannot focus on a person's mind to the exclusion of her or his body.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right and it's ridiculous that no one wants to admit it for fear of offending bi people (I'm bi).