A question for the community.

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[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I understand the etymology

mentally ill people who have been brainwashed into thinking it’s possible to change sex

Then why you do keep conflating gender with sex?

[–]absoluteblasphemy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because “gender” is a term for language and sex is a term for the body. The idea of “gender” as something different from sex came from feminist scholars who were taking about the “gender roles” as imposed on females, from there post modernists divorced it from sex to create “gender identity”.

This is what happens when we extrapolate and extrapolate, we lose and misunderstand the meaning of words. Now we can’t even agree on what they mean. However it’s very bold of you to come here and assume that gender is something different to sex; we don’t think that. They’re two words that refer to the same principal, male and female, they’re only different in their grammatical context.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

... So, if I understand this correctly your statement is that "Feminism invented gender until it was inconvenient so then it was like NO, NOT LIKE THAT."

As for comments on extrapolation, most of that extrapolation is based on hard science. I would encourage you to see transwomen as allies to feminist causes, but I'm not here to do that. I'm here to hear out your views to better inform my own.

[–]WildApples 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are not really making a good-faith effort to engage. You completely twisted and created a strawman out of her very clear explanation of the fundamental difference we have with you about the concept of gender. You cannot browbeat us into accepting your conception of gender.

I am very curious as to why you think we should see trans-identifying men as allies. You do not share our experiences or problems, your interests often conflict with ours, and you yourself are demonstrating here a disinclination to empathize with us, instead talking down to us in a way that could be deemed "mansplaining." What do we get from seeing you as allies other than having males demanding that we subordinate ourselves and center our worldviews and expression around them? How would accepting you as allies help us women?