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[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Those idiots don't tell people who they are and shit like this happens

Because of transgender broken arm syndrome... There have been literal reports of people coming in with a broken arm, and their doctor wants to do mental gymnastics to blame HRT.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Source, though? I kinda doubt medical professionals would blame a broken arm on HRT BUT there might actually be something to that since changing dominant sex hormones actually affects bone density, with cross sex hormones leading to decreased bone health in some individuals.

So tbh, even if you’re telling the truth, doctors might know something we don’t. Cross sex hormone “therapy” is extremely dangerous, we don’t need anymore people underplaying it’s risks.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

If the doctors do know something, then it is part of their job to explain it on a level that the patient understands. Then, it is the patient's responsibility to take in that information and decide what they want to do with their body.

If a different dominant sex hormone affects bone density, wouldn't this suggest treating the patient as though they are most similar to the sex that has that dominant sex hormone?

[–]absoluteblasphemy 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

No because trans IDd people are people on medication. Medication which is unnecessary and harmful to their health. Your argument is essentially something like “well I really like taking meth so if the doctors could just accept that and treat me like something who just naturally has all this methamphetamine in their body that would be great.” Extreme example, the same thing though.

The argument you’re making here is the exact problem OP is talking about, it is extremely wishful thinking to suggest that a medical professional treat a male on spiro and estradiol the same as a woman. Not only is it wishful thinking but it’s also stupid because biology doesn’t move around for feewlings.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I chose my words carefully:

most similar to the sex that has that dominant sex hormone

Does not mean

the same as a woman

As to the meth addict comparison...

Doctors do actually have to take into account how much methamphetamine is in a patient's body though? Failure to do so could have some serious interactions between medicines. This includes dosing rates for anesthesia among other things.

Meanwhile, from my personal experiences with HRT, my mental facilities on testosterone had a lot of negative mental health effects most notably a complete lack of emotion. Whereas on estrogen those mental health effects are completely gone, I experience a wide range of emotionality now and I absolutely love it. I can't ignore this experience and the profoundly positive effects it has had on my life so far.

Although I am excited to be growing breasts with estrogen, I did very literally have a thought along the lines of "It's unfortunate this medicine will cause these body changes that will draw a lot of negative discrimination."

My personal thing is the mental health benefits from this outweigh all the negatives, feminization is just a side-effect, although a happy side-effect, a side-effect none-the-less.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

You’re knit picking, we both know that what you mean. And what you mean is that you want doctors to treat men on cross sex hormones like women, which is not possible because that’s not how medicine works.

As one heart to another I am so sorry that you have been taken in and brainwashed by this ideology. I truly am so sorry for you and I will keep you in my prayers that God might find a way to reach you.

Any life that you have as an imitation of a woman will be just that; an imitation. You might be enamoured with the affects of estrogen now because hormones are very powerful, but you are on a drug just like the fictional meth addict.

Transition can take you a long way, it can give you a lot mentally and physically but you do it at great expense. You do it by making yourself less than what you are, by cutting off parts and changing the shell. But you will always know what you are, even if people look and see a woman there will always be this feeling inside of you. That you are invisible, that no one sees the truth, because that is what transition truly does to people. I’ve seen it happen.

If anything I have said here has reached you; run. Run away from the community that has lied to you, told you to drug and cut your body. Run as far away as you can. Find people who will live your real truth, not this awful destructive narrative. You can get out, if you want to.

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'm not knit-picking, that is literally what I wrote and meant. It is evidenced by the fact that is exactly what I wrote and people have a history of pointing out just how precise in my word choice I am.

I'm also literally here to fact-check that community by giving the opposing side an opportunity to voice their opinions.

As for your comments on god... I present lil-dicky

Transition can take you a long way, it can give you a lot mentally and physically but you do it at great expense.

Well, considering that I would have killed myself using inert gas asphyxiation in August, 2020 if not for pursuing transition, I feel like I'm in a bonus round of life. So, I mean, whatever risks exist are better than death.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

So what were you being treated with previous to taking estrogen?

[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nothing. I first questioned when I was 14, parents abused me until I agreed to repress being transgender. Seeing that abuse, I decided to give the white cis-gendered male privileged experience the best go of it I could. I studied abroad to even see how a different culture would make my idiosyncrasies manifest differently so I could have a more objective understanding of myself. My mental health improved while I was abroad, but only because I was unaware of the fact that the entire time I was indulging in feminine expressions of that culture that just appealed to me naturally. Returning to a culture I knew and having to conform to male presentation steadily eroded away those mental health improvements.

Decided to try working in that foreign country again to see if there was something about that culture, but as I now understood the difference between masculine and feminine aspects of that culture, the absence of feminine expressions did not yield the same dramatic improvement in mental health that my study abroad experience yielded.

Not to mention, I had my dream job.

There literally is no other explanation for these mental health effects other than being transgender as I had gone through the arduous process of eliminating all other possible explanations one by one for 14 years. Then when I started estrogen the negative mental effects just evaporated away almost instantaneously. It still gradually continues to get better from here, but I can't ignore all the data accumulated so far.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And your parents never took you to a provider during your time at home to evaluate your mental health?

[–]absoluteblasphemy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I really just am so heartbroken for you. You can’t get out of a cult unless you see it for what it is, and to do that you have to be willing to accept reality. I ask God for strength because I believe he is the only thing powerful enough to defeat evil. I realise people don’t appreciate that but I’m religious anyway, so yeah. The power of Christ compels thee.

Just follow me for a second if you can. If you realised that you were a man what would that do to you? What would that mean for you? Like really think about it, I understand why I can say these things that it just bounces right off; it’s a self defence mechanism. If you saw the truth it well, that’s a real reckoning. It’s a real horrorshow, I know that’s why I left the trans community.

I myself was also in this community also suicidal and I know that transition seems like a solution, but it’s not, it’s just a distraction. And like I said hormones are very powerful, but what are you going to do when that glow wears off and all you have are your fantasies and an infertile body that is repulsive to 99% of people?

I’m not saying this out of cruelty, I am very genuine when I say that I care about you, I care about every person that identifies as trans because you have all been lied to and you are all being hurt.

You can leave and you can have a normal life, assuming you haven’t inverted your penis (please never do that to yourself by the way, I’ve seen a neo-vag in real life and it is grotesque) but it’s very hard and you will have to be very brave.