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[–]JustWhy[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I did not know about Ayaan Hirsi Ali until now. I also remember when the narrative started changing from pointing out how certain cultures oppressed women to "the hijab is totally a feminist personal choice, not oppression." Where and how did this narrative start?

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The narrative changed around 2014-2015 when the migrant crisis happened here in Europe. Suddenly we were expected to take in millions of immigrants, most of them men, from cultures that were heavily misogynistic and homophobic and if we dared speak out against it we were just being evil racist bigots.

I'd be a lot more open to migrants from those countries if it was predominately women and children escaping oppression, but it's not. It's mostly men.

[–]JustWhy[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for enlightening me! I'm from the US where we refused those "refugees" and to me the narrative shifted completely out of nowhere.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US didn't "refuse" the so-called refugees that streamed into Europe in 2014-16. Those persons never applied to the US for refugee resettlement or asylum in the first place. Since the US instituted the Refugee Admissions Program in 1980, the US has been the world leader in refugee admissions by far - and many of the persons resettled in the US under the USRAP over time have been Muslims of both sexes.

Under Trump, the annual numbers of refugees admitted were capped at a much lower level than previously - and increasing concerns were raised about admitting applicants from some Muslim-majority countries, in part due to unfair anti- Muslim prejudice. However, long before Trump became POTUS, widespread fraud had been found amongst those applying for USRAP status, especially through the family reunification program, from certain countries in Africa where the population is majority or largely Muslim. This caused the Obama administration to suspend applications from some countries in 2008, long before Trump cut the USRAP numbers overall and instituted the so-called "Muslim ban" on travel to the US from certain Muslim-majority countries tied to Islamist terror activities.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/prm/refadm/rls/fs/2008/111770.htm

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121919647430755373

[–]theytookourjerbs 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I'd be okay if the immigrants were women and children, and I wouldn't care if they're legal or not as long as they work (here you have to be 14 and over to work, so anyone that's 14 and over that has the time to work I guess). One of my brother-in-laws is an immigrant from El Salvador, and he works. Places like the USA or the UK have people that are native to those places, and don't work. He specifically asked my dad "Why don't people here work?" and it's because some of us are lazy. There's actual disabled people out there that cannot work because they have an intellectual or physical disability, but then there's people with disorders that are mild that can work, but choose not to.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would say that's ironic, but then I look at the government and look at the culture, it's really people escaping a different type of oppression and going to another country to practice another type of oppression whilst living more freely.