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[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I highly doubt anyone was given GnRHa drugs to girls with problem periods. If girls are put on hormone therapy for menstrual problems, it usually means a kind of BC pill. It would be highly irresponsible to prescribe something as toxic as Lupron. Moreover, a drug like Lupron would stop puberty altogether, not make for milder periods.

Given that this is Jameela Jamil, I would take her word with a bushel of salt.

Moreover, I am bothered by the way she's blabbing publicly about the medical conditions & presumed treatments her former schoolmates got as adolescents. It's arrogant & shows no awareness that other people have privacy rights. It's illegal for HCPs, insurers & employers to divulge this sort of info.

Jamil doesn't seem to see the (now) women she's speaking of as full human beings deserving of human rights and privacy. She sees them as subhuman props whose purported health issues she has free rein to exploit in order to advance her agenda & get attention.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precocious_puberty

I learned about this in an endocrinology book I was reading to figure out what was wrong with my body... I believe I have Cushing's syndrome.

Anyway, there's a section about precocious puberty with an image of a pregnant 5 year old girl (Lina Medina). She could've been given puberty blockers (to prevent the pregnancy), but she's from a poor town in Peru.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

Six weeks after the diagnosis Medina gave birth to a boy by caesarean section. She was 5 years, 7 months, and 21 days old, the youngest person in history to give birth. The caesarean birth was necessitated by her small pelvis. The surgery was performed by Lozada and Dr Busalleu, with Dr Colareta providing anaesthesia. The doctors found she had fully mature sexual organs from precocious puberty.

Since most women trust men to live in their households with little girls... the best way to prevent pedo pregnancies is to give girls puberty blockers (or birth control ...my mom and aunts took birth control because their brothers were molesting them. Grandma didn't want incest babies in the family. Black moms were eagerly given birth control by white people to reduce the black birth rate).

[–]wokuspokus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Given the rarity of heavy periods as a medical condition, not a teenage girl going through the first year of so of mensturation (which tends to be heavier before hormone cycling fully settles), they’re talking nonsense. Not to mention how difficult it is for women to get doctors to take them seriously. There’d have been a handful of kids at the most.

Both sides are right with the reversibility argument. They CAN be reversible, definitely, particularly if treatment is stopped at a reasonably normal age for puberty (so early teens). However, they can also cause irreversible atrophy of the sex organs and infertility.

The risks are too great to give these to a confused child. Someone in their teens who is genuinely dysphoric (no other reason for their MH issues when their actually given some damn therapy and other possibilities explored) should be made aware of the potential side effects, but I’m not fully against it. But only with the safeguards of a full exploration of the patient’s mental health, parental consent, and all parties armed with all the knowledge they need to make a truly informed decision.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a reasonably normal age for puberty (so early teens)

Puberty is only considered "precocious" if it starts before 8 in girls & before 9 in boys. Average age puberty starts is 9-11 for girls, 11 for boys. So kids put on these drugs for precocious puberty are usually taken off them before their teens. [Edit to add: PP occurs almost exclusively in girls, & it seems that when blockers are used for girls, the standard is to stop the treatment by or at 10.]

Mayo Clinic says that for kids given GnRH analogues for PP, it takes an average of 16 months after stopping the drug for puberty to start.

In the US, gender vendor physicians are putting confused kids with "gender dysphoria" on puberty blockers as young as 8. These drugs are also often prescribed off-label to kids who are very short so they'll grow taller. But the unwanted effects of these drugs can be horrendous, causing permanent damage. The story of the pediatric use of these drugs, particularly Lupron, is scandalous & hair-raising:

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

[–]kwallio 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm kind of surprised because most of the negative information about lupron is coming out from girls who were given it for precocious puberty. No studies that I'm aware of have been done on trans teenagers who took lupron.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The UK's Tavistock GIDS finally published the results of their short-term study off 44 youths that it began in 2011 earlier this year - and Michael Biggs from Oxford obtained the raw data via a FOI last year. But the Tavi GIDS didn't do a full assessment of the kids' physical health in general. However, what the study did reveal was alarming: both sexes had significantly lower bone density, reduced height (not great for the girls who want to pass as men), & their "gender dysphoria" & overall mental well-being remained "unchanged." Moreover, the females ("trans boys") on blockers reported an increase in the desire to self-harm.

The earlier Dutch studies on which "the Dutch protocol" was based had similar findings: no reduction in anxiety or depression or improvement in body image for either sex, & an increase in suicidal thoughts & urges in the TIFs. In the Dutch studies, the TIFs also had more more behavior problems & anger issues before starting the blockers, & these either remained the same or got worse on blockers.

These poor kids. This is one of the biggest medical & child abuse scandals ever.