How many people do you think are truly in support of transgenderism or are just faking it from peer pressure?

submitted by lofifriend from self.GenderCritical

I read from pewresearch that 80% of conservatives believe who you are (man/woman) is determined at birth whereas 64% of democrats believe otherwise. That just seems crazy to me that that many people would be in support of it.

Telling me to promote gender as a social construct (by forcing us into traditional stupid stereotypes like girls should play with dolls and guys should have short hair, etc.) is like forcing me to say the sky is another color besides blue. However, I come off to other people as if I am in support of transgenderism even though secretly I can't stand it. How many people do you think are secretly like me (or us, if you're also in hiding) and think the world has gone mad? Particularly people on the left? I am extremely left-leaning, but this is one of a handful of leftist beliefs that I nonetheless just can't get behind.

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[–]our_team_is_winning 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would not lie for the Woke crowd if you put a gun to my head. At work I got around two TW by only using their names and saying HE one-on-one to everyone. When I told other women "he is a man and you know that," they tried to weasel around about "what he wants to be" -- yeah, and I want to be young and rich, will they play along with that?

I will not partake in any man's sexual fetish. Nor will I partake in any mentally ill female (Chase, cough cough, Chase) delusion.

Playing along makes you an enabler. "What did you do in the War, Mommy?"

30 years of "political correctness" damaged the critical thought process and desire for freedom that people use to have. 30 years of being told you couldn't say "stewardess" anymore, and here we are. I can guarantee you TIM want to be called "stewardess" and not the sex neutral "flight attendant."

I suspect 99% are faking it out of fear. Self-censorship. We all need to stop it.

[–]censorshipment 9 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, millions of people believe a virgin had a baby, and the baby was born with superpowers. So believing a human being can be born in the wrong body isn't even that far-fetched. Humans are idiots.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think that many people actually know what it is they are supporting. You can get into arguments with supporters who will adamantly deny that children are being given hormones for example.

So, I don't know if it's really that they're faking it. It's more that they're supporting it to feel like they're fighting against evil, without caring enough about the subject to know what they are actually fighting for.

[–]TheOnyxGoddess 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a logical answer. This is why TRAs want to shut gendercriticals up.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think most people are just plain ignorant, and I mean that in the best possible way. I think my parents believe trans=sex reassignment surgery. They don't understand gender identity ideology or what self-ID entails. They were appalled when I explained the massive rise in females identifying as trans.

I have another friend in her early forties who asked me 'what's transgender?' I didn't want to get into it at the time since it's really such a loaded issue. Our workplace is very 'woke' and I don't want her to say something 'controversial' and get in trouble.

I suspect even the DUMBocrats in that survey haven't given the issue much critical thought. They are barraged with news articles that tell them gender identity is real and sex is a spectrum, and they haven't bothered to look behind the curtains.

[–]aloris342 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it doesn't help that scientists as a group have not really stood up for women as biological females. I think many Democrats consider themselves the "party of science" so if they think "science says" sex is a spectrum then they really will never examine who made that declaration or what it means. When they say they "believe in science" they are being more literal than they know: they don't know enough about the scientific details to accept "consensus" scientific claims on the basis of data, so instead they accept those claims on the basis that they believe scientists to be trustworthy. It's really a kind of faith for them, even though they think of themselves as rational, data-driven people. I generally trust scientists too, but I think what has happened here is that scientific claims have been mixed up with metaphysical claims. Yes, you can surgically alter human beings to remove or modify specific organs. Scientific research has helped show doctors how to remove a uterus from a woman safely, how to perform mastectomies safely, which hormones to give to induce breast growth. Those are science issues. Does removing a uterus turn a woman into a man? That is a metaphysics issue because it depends on what it means to be a woman or a man. Science can inform the issue, but does not decide the issue. People in favor of gender ideology have co-opted society's concept of woman and man (and, somehow, male and female) and redefined them for their own gain by conflating science and metaphysics. Surely the traditional concept (and the definition in law) was on the basis of reproductive adaptation (a girl/woman is adapted to reproduce as a female even if, for medical reasons, she never menstruates and is never able to carry a pregnancy to term). Now it's whatever trans right activists say it is, whether actual women agree or not.

[–]teacherterf 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think a lot of supportive people really do not understand the issues. They think transwomen are people who look and act like Blaire White and had full surgery. And then that's their mental image for sports, prisons, etc - Blaire White doesn't look any stronger than a typical woman on the rugby team, or any more dangerous than the typical female prisoner, etc.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hope you know that the "full surgery" Blaire White & nearly all trans-identified males get hardly ever involve operations on their genitals. Almost all these guys keep their dicks & balls.

To Blaire's credit, he has been honest about his choice to keep his genitals intact. But he has been disingenuous in saying that the drugs he's taken mean he no longer has DNA. In fact, what Blaire means is that he no longer can produce viable sperm.

[–]teacherterf 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I know that Blaire is intact. That's why I specified "look like Blaire White AND had full surgery". By full I meant full; I'm not a TRA - I use words correctly.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But nowadays, "full surgery" for TIMs does not mean what the general public thinks it means. Most people think "full surgery" for males who ID as trans entails genital surgery - removal of the testicles & penile inversion in the creation of a fauxgina & fauxlva. But amongst the trans community & those who provide them with care & procedures, "full surgery" for males such as Blaire now means exactly - and only - the kinds of cosmetic procedures Blaire has already had: facial feminization surgeries, hairline lowering, the implantation of large round silicone sacs of gel or fluid into the chest, lip injections, body contouring, butt augmentation/lifts, etc.

[–]Finnegan7921 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is PLENTY of performative wokeness, and the TRA's expose it all the time. If a guy says "TWAW", but won't go out with one b/c he is straight, he doesn't really believe the bullshit, b/c that bullshit includes the "female penis", aka, the ladydick, which they are always telling everyone to suck. He is just saying he does to score woke points and not be ostracized as a bigot. This is no different than the people who go to a BLM march but call the cops at the drop of a hat b/c someone is standing on the corner and "doesn't look like they belong in the neighborhood".

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't like the ideology that's sprouted up around it, but I will generally keep silent around people other than my closest group of friends. I know one person who did the full surgical 'transition' just before it turned into this bizarre trend, and in his case I do believe it was because of an actual mental condition (he's a pretty tortured soul) rather than this weird societal delusion. So I'll refer to him as her out of personal respect and because he just wants to live a quiet life instead of using it as a bludgeon against everyone around him. The rest of them I try to avoid at all costs.

[–]QueenBread 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Think about big examples of masses of people doing something evil. Nazism, or witchburning. Do you think thousands upon thousands of people were all creepy sadists who hated certain specific groups?

No. Yet peer pressure turned a whole, entire country into nazism. It made entire populations cheers as heretics and women were burned.

Turns out most people get swayed and peer pressured easily, AND the worst people always are the ones who get positions of power, thus dragging down all of those peer pressured weak individuals. All it takes is economic weakness in a country for the madness to start.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a very good video about this on YT that was made by the US Holocaust Museum.

Also, books like the diaries of Victor Klemperer showed that Naziism took hold by a continual drip-drip of propaganda and the institution of discriminatory laws, rules & customs step by step over a number of years starting in 1933. It was very much a situation of the frog being put in a pot of room-temp water, then bringing the water gradually to a boil so that the frog became used to it. It wasn't a situation of taking a frog from its normal habitat & tossing it into an already boiling pot. Even amongst the Nazi party middle-high command, the idea of "the final solution" was put forward gingerly & not all at once overnight. The Wansee Conference was in January 1942, nine years after the Nazis had taken power. And there's indication that quite a few who attended that conference, & had been closely involved in relocating Jews & other "undesirables" to "the east," still were taken aback to learn that the ultimate plan was to commit mass murder & genocide using such active means as group gassing & crematoria. (As opposed to, say, just letting the poor people taken captive die of starvation & disease.)

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why I for once am glad that the US has a huge contingent of Anti-Woke, because they would resist gender ideology out of sheer orneriness even if genderology weren't a pile of steaming crap.

[–]TeaAndCigarettes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Literally anytime I talk to a friend of mine in a space where they can't be recorded/heard they think it's psycho and gone off the rails. You get people in spaces where they think they can be cancelled or lose jobs then they basically have to perform the song and dance.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, that's why one-on-one conversations with people you trust (or just sane people in general) will do a lot to Peak Trans the masses. We just need to keep talking (of course, only to the level we feel comfortable).