you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]aloris342 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"The two college-age TIFs who tried to convince me of the merits of this neologism a couple of Thanksgivings ago told me that giving birth vaginally is inherently debasing & disgusting, much more so than defecating."

Wait, what?

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I told them I found "front hole" vile & demeaning, so they suggested "franus" as a more anodyne alternative. IKYN. They were two of the most crackers people I've ever met. And amongst the most misogynistic. They also claimed to be gay men. Since then, I've heard through the grapevine that both have cut off all ties with their families & moved to who knows where, adopting new names. I don't know their parents well or really at all - I met them at a very large neighborhood gathering whilst visiting someone else in a different state to where I live, so I didn't know most people there. But I have often wondered what happened to them. They saw all aspects of distinctively female biology to be inherently disgusting & demeaning, & males to be superior & ideal in every way. Sadly, some other young TIFs hold similar views.

[–]aloris342 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

wow, their attitude to their own biology is very sad.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But the problem is, it's their attitude towards other people's biology too. Just like internalized homophobia in gay men & lesbians often gets directed at other people (& people of all sexual orientations too), internalized misogyny rarely remains solely internal. These young women don't just hate themselves & their own biology, they hate all girls & women - and they expressed a special disgust & disdain for women who have borne children. I remember thinking they had mommy issues x 1000.

Look at Chase Strangio - a young(ish) woman so hating of her own sex that she's dedicated her entire life to removing the sex-based sports, spaces, services & privacy & safety provisions that women have worked hard to obtain over centuries.