Andrew Sullivan yet again proves that male "allies" often are not. Speaking of the requests of hundreds of men to move into California women's prisons, Sullivan says, "A humane but risky experiment whose results we will soon see." Housing men in women's jail cells is HUMANE?!?!?!? F-Andrew Sullivan

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[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm glad he tweeted it. It's getting a lot of negative responses and will likely peak a lot of people (to be fair, he clarifies that me meant 'humane' to refer to TIMs and seems to acknowledge that it's a dangerous experiment). Andrew Sullivan has a big audience and the prison issue is starting to become mainstream, like sports.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw his clarification, but it wasn't enough for me, because it just showed, yet again, that Andrew Sullivan and many men, think of men first and women last.

Although when the CA bill passed, I did see a lot of men react with horror on twitter and conservative sites, so, in this case, NOT ALL MEN, think putting men in women's prisons is anything less than state-sanctioned rape.

[–]WildApples 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And he tweeted this: https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1379418310903791622/photo/1

I wish he was a little more nuanced. It is a lawsuit, not a garden party or group therapy session. Word choice is a huge component in forming legal arguments; if parties to a case cannot express themselves strategically and are forced to use the word choices dictated by their opponents, then they are in effect ceding a large part of their argument to the other side.

[–]aloris342 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"are forced to use the word choices dictated by their opponents"

Well said. That's the whole point of forcing them to do so, I would think. They are forced to cede the argument before they have even made it.

[–]WildwoodFlower 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hundreds? Then maybe it's time for trans inmates to be housed in separate facilities, or at least in their own wing of a prison.

[–]aloris342 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If the word "risky" applies to women's welfare, then it's clearly inhumane to women (i.e. not compassionate or benevolent to women), and the sentence as a whole does not make sense (a humane but inhumane experiment? What is that?). The word "humane," in the context of this sentence, only makes sense if the word "risky" applies to the same persons: humane to the men, and risky for the men. Seems like he only cares about the men here.