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[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And this fool, Congressman Mondaire Jones, also a Democratic congressional representative from New York state, agrees. What a fucking liar - "trans kids" aren't being banned from playing sports.

"I’m hearing @RogerMarshallMD has offered an amendment to the COVID relief bill to ban trans kids from playing sports.

Let me make sure I understand Senate rules here: Americans don’t deserve a $15 min wage, but it’s cool to attack and exclude trans kids in sports?

LetKidsPlay"

https://twitter.com/MondaireJones/status/1367985287712882688

[–]aloris342 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's also misinformation because such people are not banned from playing sports, they are simply expected to play in the division that matches their actual sex.

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Exactly, yet over and over and over, "Progressives" make this "trans kids banned from sports" claim.

I don't know how they think that any person involved in athletic competition wouldn't see right through that lie, but I guess they figure that there are so few "trans" athletes out there, most people haven't yet seen how "trans girls" smash the best efforts of actual girls.

Which is stupid, because video of "trans girls" runners is being shared across the US internet, so now everyone can see firsthand how unfair it is to let them compete against girls.

[–]aloris342 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think that we have spent a lot of years inculcating into the culture the idea that girls and boys are equally good at everything and it is now being used against us. It's a lose-lose situation for girls and women. If we acknowledge that males and females are different in some ways, then it is used to give credence to arguments that men are smarter or better leaders or more capable than women. None of these claims are necessarily true, but people believed them for years because if men and women can be different in important ways, then why couldn't IQ be one of those differences (personally, the IQ difference argument never made sense to me; in evolution, wouldn't the sex that cares for offspring have a greater need for the IQ that allows them to help their young survive?) On the other hand, if we claim that males and females are fundamentally similar, then suddenly there are NO differences between male and female, even pretty obvious differences such as height, muscle strength, etc. It's a double bind.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Good point. The weird thing is, I don't know when people starting confusing the idea that the two sexes are equal in human worth - and therefore deserve equal human rights and equal opportunity - with the idea that the two sexes are the same. The feminism of the 1960s and 70s that I grew up with and have always hewed to was/is NOT about pretending there's no biological difference between the two sexes, it's about recognizing that one sex isn't inherently better or of more value in terms of overall worth.

Moreover, so much of feminism back then was based on the awareness that equality for girls and women meant making provisions for our females bodies, or that at least took into account the realities and social repercussions of having a female body - by, for example, obtaining abortion rights; making it illegal to fire girls & women from our jobs or kick us out of school for getting pregnant; campaigning to get health insurance plans to cover Pap smears, mammograms and birth control; winning the right to take maternity leave; building girls' and women's sports and allowing us to have PE classes on par with males; doing and lobbying for research & education on female health matters; removing the stigmas around menstruation, menopause and breastfeeding; fighting for changes in how the medical establishment views and handles childbirth so that labour and birth can be woman-centered and controlled; lobbying for fair allocation of facilities like toilets and locker rooms; bringing attention to, & trying to reduce, the high rates of sexual harassment, sexual assault and child sex abuse that males subject girls & women to simply because we are biologically female; setting up female-only spaces and services like rape refuges, domestic violence shelters & support groups & therapy/recovery programs where women could heal from injuries to our female bodies.

We used to use the analogy of beds. Lots of kids who share bedrooms sleep in twin beds of the same size that are on the same level, whilst other kids sleep in bunk beds. But the fact that some people like bunk beds does not mean it's not necessary to arrange all twin beds so one is on top, and one is on the bottom. Feminism back then wanted each sex to have its own twin bed of the same size (and cushiness) on the same level as the other, rather than one stacked on top of the other. But somehow it seems people started thinking everyone should all sleep in one bed together. This overlooked the fact that some kids are bigger than others, and are likely to take up more space and hog all the covers, and overlooking any and all need for any kind of boundaries. I've often wondered if the practice of families co-sleeping might be at fault here, LOL.

BTW, are people still really arguing that males across the board have higher IQs than females? IQ, which by its very definition is something that is measurable and tested for, has been around a long time - but I didn't think there was any credence to the notion that males have higher IQs than females. Scholastically, girls and women if given the same opportunities as boys and men, tend to outperform them.

Yes, sexists in the past just as now have long argued that women's brains or psychology means that across the board we aren't cut out for certain areas of study, kinds of thinking, or professions/work - but that's different from/to IQ, which is supposed to be a measure of overall intelligence.

Moreover, at some of the very same times in the past that some argued that male brains are superior to female ones, a lot of people took the equally sexist opposite view. Used to be, lots of people thought that girls & women are naturally smarter than boys, but we best downplay our intelligence so as to protect "the fragile male ego." In my own upbringing, there were constant double messages: adults praised me for being smart, clever and getting good grades, but also told me to "keep a lid on it" and sometimes to play dumb so as not to distress boys and make them feel bad about themsleves.

In the US, when girls and women were banned from certain educational institutions and fields of study outright, or were allowed in but only on the condition that our numbers be kept low, a main reason often cited was so that men wouldn't have to endure the shame and discomfort of being outdone by women. Coz their "fragile male egos" couldn't handle seeing that so many of the human beings of the sex class seen as inferior were much smarter than them. That's why in the early 20th century Stanford University decided to cap the number of women admitted as undergrads.. Originally, Stanford admitted the best students of both sexes who applied - but soon enough, that meant more and more of the student body ended up being female. To prevent female students from dominating in numbers and academic performance, a quota was established to keep female students at Stanford in the minority. And it was a woman, and supposedly a feminist one, Jane Stanford, who put the quota in place!

Also, I don't know if this is true or just an "old wives tale," but a lot of people have long claimed that insofar as the part of IQ that is heritable is concerned, mothers contribute more to it than than fathers. Most of the men I knew and dated who wanted children back in the day believed their best chance of having smart kids was to mate with a smart woman - and a main reason guys I dated, professors, doctors and others of both sexes often told me I should have lots of children was coz I was very smart, and thus would pass that on to my kids. In fact, I was often told during my reproductive years that I had an obligation or duty to have a big brood - not coz women are only or mainly fit for baby making, but coz the human race needs more people of high intelligence. I even got this sort of pressure from female gynecologists who were feminists!

Apparently there is some research out there supporting the idea that the heritable part of IQ comes more from mothers than from fathers.

Genes controlling cognition are more likely inherited from the mother than from the father, according to studies in genomics. Many of the alleles containing intelligence determinants are carried on the x-chromosome. Because women possess two copies of the x-chromosome while men carry only one, it is more likely for these alleles to be passed on to the children.

In fact, it could be that general cognitive ability comes only from the mother. Some studies on the genetics of intelligence have found that genes for advanced cognitive functions which are inherited from the father may be automatically deactivated. These genetic determinants are called conditioned genes.

https://www.familyeducation.com/is-intelligence-inherited-a-genetic-explanation

Again, I dunno if this is actually true. But the idea has been out there for a long time.

Sorry to have gone on at such length. I'm not disagreeing with what you said. I think you made an excellent point. I'm just expanding on your comment, which obviously jogged my memory and thinking.

[–]aloris342 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lots of information in that post, it will take me a while to digest it! I will say to begin with that I think the core of the issue is in your first paragraph, about how we define being of equal worth, vs being the same.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Moreover, so much of feminism back then was based on the awareness that equality for girls and women meant making provisions for our females bodies, or that at least took into account the realities and social repercussions of having a female body - by, for example, obtaining abortion rights; making it illegal to fire girls & women from our jobs or kick us out of school for getting pregnant; campaigning to get health insurance plans to cover Pap smears, mammograms and birth control; winning the right to take maternity leave; building girls' and women's sports and allowing us to have PE classes on par with males; doing and lobbying for research & education on female health matters; removing the stigmas around menstruation, menopause and breastfeeding; fighting for changes in how the medical establishment views and handles childbirth so that labour and birth can be woman-centered and controlled; lobbying for fair allocation of facilities like toilets and locker rooms; bringing attention to, & trying to reduce, the high rates of sexual harassment, sexual assault and child sex abuse that males subject girls & women to simply because we are biologically female; setting up female-only spaces and services like rape refuges, domestic violence shelters & support groups & therapy/recovery programs where women could heal from injuries to our female bodies.

Long block-quote, I know, but its so refreshing to see people concisely make excellent points in long form rather than rely on substituting clap emojis for both punctuation and meaningful discourse.

Very pertinent, all of these points, as TRAs seek to effectively dissolve the legal distinctions which delineate each and every one of these sex-based provisions.

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can literally show up for tryouts in 0 additional steps as it stands.