BEN SHAPIRO (US conservative pundit) goes full on Drop the T & TERF in discussing the Equality Act. Shapiro sounds like one of us - maybe the tide is turning?

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[–]emptiedriver 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This doesn't seem like a turning tide to me at all. The conservatives have never supported this but they also haven't supported being GNC or gay, and the harder line they take against it, the more stubborn the democrats will get that they have the right point of view. All they have to do is show some of the other things these people say, and then some hand-wavey, "it's complicated, trust the science" stuff, and dems will shrug their shoulders and agree. Surely if people with PhDs have determined transgenderism is sensible, and crazy people who think Jewish space lasers started wildfires say it is wacky, then you're just be backwards or bigoted if you don't get it...

What I listened to sounded pretty reasonable - but I don't see it helping the debate on a larger stage

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In the US, the conservatives have talked about TiMs in women's sports, but relatively sparingly before the 2020 election.

Conservatives stopped talking about bathrooms for the most part, probably because of all the virtue-signaling lib fems and/or hip minivan moms screaming, "She can pee next to me!"

So I think conservatives were a bit scared off on the privacy/dignity/safety aspect because of the power of lgbTQ +++ Inc. (and I'm not accusing LGB of anything, just their now All-Trans/Queer organizations).

However, now that feminists like Kara Dansky are speaking out on Fox News, conservatives have realized that Lefty women are also against the trans tidal wave.

And in the US, it's the Independents who the parties need to win, and Independents are quite possibly looking at the arguments themselves and going, "Oh Hell NO," is that 6'2" man with his swinging dick seeing my little princess naked.

The gender lobby is terrified of Lefty women waking up and allying with the conservatives ON THIS ISSUE ALONE (because the Progressives threw us under the bus) and that's exactly what's happening.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

now that feminists like Kara Dansky are speaking out on Fox News, conservatives have realized that Lefty women are also against the trans tidal wave.

But Kara Dansky and other leftwing women appearing on Fox to speak out against the trans craze isn't something that's only started to happen "now." Kara D first appeared on Tucker Carlson to present the feminist case in February 2017 - more than four years ago.

https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson/status/829160963576365057?lang=en

Julia Beck appeared on TC in January 2019.

Also, on various Fox shows I've watched over the years (I've always watched Fox to see what the other side says), there's been consistent pushback on the trans craze - and especially alarm about teaching the ideology to school kids - from many commentators such as Tammy Bruce.

In response to Bruce's totally reasonable POV expressed on a Fox show in 2015, the "lefty" bros at The Young Turks went to town on Bruce, calling her "despicable," "enormously offensive" and "a stooge," telling her that as a lesbian she has a duty to back the orthodoxy of "the LGBTQ community" - and suggesting that perhaps she only imagines that she's a lesbian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DTLMMVxVig

Note Cenk's gleeful expression of ageism in the clip too.

Kyle K at Secular Talk slammed the three women on Fox for teaching young children they can change sex, and excoriated Bruce in particular for not having the right opinions that he thinks all gay people are obliged to embrace:

https://youtu.be/ezQQN9uGdKs

The language and mocking tone he uses to excoriate the three women in the clip he's criticizing is really telling. He's a wanna-be Cenk. And just like Cenk does, Kyle K loudly asserts as though it's unassailable truth the sexist rubbish that some people are born with the body of one sex and the brain of the opposite sex.