BEN SHAPIRO (US conservative pundit) goes full on Drop the T & TERF in discussing the Equality Act. Shapiro sounds like one of us - maybe the tide is turning?

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[–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Crazy, isn't it? I now have to add Ben Fucking Shapiro to the list of People Who I'd Never In A Billion Years Agree With But Am

Rand Paul

Piers Morgan

Ted Cruz

That crazy congresswoman from Georgia Greene

Tucker Carlson

Ben Shapiro

The Democrats really blew this...

[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think they really do believe that the gender ideology is harmful. But I suspect there may be a deeper political motivation behind it. They have to know that plenty of people on the left don't agree with this crap. It's such an easy issue to pull away voters from the Democrats. At this point, though, I'm fine with it if that's what they're doing. The Democrats should suffer politically for advocating for genital mutilation, child sterilization, and the removal of women's rights. If they didn't know that's what they were doing, then they're grossly incompetent and don't deserve my vote anyway.

[–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your last sentence is kind of the way I feel, even though on issues like healthcare, the environment, etc., I much prefer the Democrats.

The Democrats who know what's in the Equality Act and support it are psychopaths. The Democrats who don't know what's in the Equality Act and support it are too stupid and/or lazy for the office.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I can't believe it either. But there's a lot I can't freaking believe is reality these days! Yes the Dems really have blown it. This is more of a "people who can think critically and actually look at the evidence" than a left vs. right thing. A lot of my woke libfem friends are astounded people on the left aren't supporting this!

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Your woke libfem friends are astounded that people on the left aren't supporting what?

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The hook line and sinker of trans ideology, the "equality act", bathrooms, sports, locker rooms. Full on literal believers in "TWAW"

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Can you perhaps mention to them that according to an often-cited survey done by the National Center for Transgender Equality, a trans advocacy group, close to 90% of their beloved TiMs keep their male genitalia and around 63% are attracted to women?

But tell them it's not just TiMs who will be allowed into women's space, but ANY man. So that creep who's stalking them, the scary Tinder date, their abusive ex? Well, they can all saunter in to spaces where these WOKE women are isolated and possibly naked.

And the Equality Act means that not just one man can access spaces where women are vulnerable, but groups of men.

Maybe show them some of the sicker TiM sub Reddits or forums?

But what I tell uber-WOKE women in denial, like your friends, is (to use their words) "Consent is not transferable," so if they're comfortable with penises in their spaces they can go use male spaces.

[–]WildApples 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Can you perhaps mention to them that according to an often-cited survey done by the National Center for Transgender Equality, a trans advocacy group, close to 90% of their beloved TiMs keep their male genitalia and around 63% are attracted to women?

Do you have a link for that? That might be useful for future arguments.

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's the National Center for Transgender Equality 2015 survey. It's available online. It's kind of discredited because of the methodology, however, trans activists cherry pick the numbers from it whenever those numbers support their arguments. This might be the link:

http://www.ustranssurvey.org/

There's another NIH study (IIRC) that had an even higher rate of TiMs who kept their male genitalia; I saw it in an article, but when I clicked on the link the study was gone. Fancy that - the National Institute of Health doesn't want us to know the % of TiMs who keep their dicks...

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Another source is this article that appeared in the journal Translational Andrology and Urology in June 2019:

Genital GCS is generally less common than chest surgery, with prevalence rates of ... **5–10% for transgender women (7,9,32). For transgender women, genital GCS comprises a number of procedures, including vaginoplasty (most commonly intestinal or penile inversion) with labiaplasty and/or clitoroplasty, penectomy, and orchiectomy. Transgender women report bottom surgery at rates between 5–13% (7-9,32).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6626314/

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Transgender women report bottom surgery at rates between 5–13%

Thanks so much for this. Women, please bookmark because this proves that the TiMs who want access to our, and often our childrens', sex-segregated spaces are still mostly intact males.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd also go with the first statement, the one I highlighted, coz it speaks of "prevalence rates" rather than the rates that TIMs report.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are multiple papers reporting a very low rate of genital surgeries in TIMs. This report from the US journal Transgender Health in 2016 showed that out of the 234 TIMs studied and considered to be representative of the population of "TW" in the US overall, only 11 - or 4.7% - had undergone genital surgery.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5012371/

A much higher percentage of TIMs will tell pollsters, online surveys and HCPs that they intend to get genital surgeries at some point down the line, but they rarely actually do so. Even males who are basically "professionally trans" and base their entire lives and livelihoods around claiming to be women, such as Gigi Gorgeous and Blaire White, usually end up deciding not to get genital surgeries. In fact, Gorgeous and White have made videos saying they see the results of such surgeries as repulsive in appearance, smell and function.

TIMS tend to be very much into their dicks, which is why they are trying to simply rebrand them by pushing for normalization and widespread acceptance of the ridiculous concept of "the female penis" and "girl dick."

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is really important that we let everyone know that most TiMs have intact male genitalia!

So thanks for chasing this study down - Bookmarked!

[–]purrvana 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the weirdest part of 2020 for me wasn't the pandemic... it was finding out that I agree with all the people you listed above. I never thought I'd see a new Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro video and go "ooh! something to listen to during lunch" 😂 This is truly Black Mirror shit.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I even forgot NIKKI HALEY on that list.

The Democrats must be getting gonzo $$$ from the zillionaire autogynephiles, Big Pharma and Big Medicine to commit suicide so spectacularly.

[–]devushka 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That crazy congresswoman from Georgia Greene

D: MTG is from my state!?!? At least she still knows there are only two sexes.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It so weird that now after we mention something crazy a Right wing politician says we have to add, "At least she still knows there are only two sexes."

Not that I think that Left wing politicians are always models of sanity, the Transwomen Are Women being a case in point.